Justify my salary

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I have been working in my job for over 3 yrs, i was the 1st employee here hence I know a lot about the business and my work is greatly varied. TBH I know more about the system and other aspects of the business that even the directors dont know! If I left it would be a loss to them. While I love my job and everyone that works here, they money is really getting to me or rather the lack of it!
The job is moving premises and in order for me to get to work in the future I will be spending up to a fifth of my wage on commuting costs which is madness and I cannot justify it. My wages are on the lower side of what I should be paid.
I have previously asked for a raise (and got with difficulty 1k) I know when it comes to the crunch I have a fight on my hand with getting the money but at the end of the day I have to life a life and not be spending all my wage on commuting.

How is the best way of approaching my bosses to say - I need X amount in my wage as I am spending Y on getting into work. I dont want to come across as being arrogant but I def dont want to be taken for a ride eithre - If I dont get it i will prob leave, They know how much i do. But they are as tight as I dont know what.....

Any suggestions?:eek:
 
Go out and get a new job that pays you what you should be earning.

Then walk into your boss and give them notice...stating that the money in company x was just too hard to turn down.

If you're important to them they will match the salary and you stay. If not you move on and earn a lot more money.
 
I second that. The longer serving staff, in general, suffer from slipping behind hte market rate for their job. You can threaten to leave, once, but after that it's crying wolf. Unless your company are willing to do Match to Market exercise some people will have to leave before they will be compelled to adjust salaries. No official salary scale either I'm sure. Same inertia principal as used to operate for banks etc. No need to compete for existing customers\staff as a sufficient percentage will stay regardless.
 
I think your in your comfort zone and your bosses are taking advantage of that. If my Company were to up and move premises and the cost of commuting to work increased, I would def be re-assessing things. If the Company can afford to move premises surely thet can afford pay increases of some form.

My advice is to get out of the comfort zone, see what's out there and go back to your bosses and say this is where it's at, what can you do for me, if anything.
 
Figgywiggy said:
Hi there
Would they give you a nice company car?
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Petrol would be better! But not a chance :rolleyes:

Thanks for the comments thou, As i have already said to them I wanted more before I think they will take it to easy and try to fob me off.

Just got to be firm with them, they pay them selves well enough!
 
ribbons said:
Petrol would be better! But not a chance :rolleyes:

Thanks for the comments thou, As i have already said to them I wanted more before I think they will take it to easy and try to fob me off.

Just got to be firm with them, they pay them selves well enough!
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For what its worth...in my experience you're wasting your time. If you're so important and you had to squeeze 1k out of them before your only option is walk/ threaten to walk. Being firm will do nothing for you.
 
I was in a job a couple of yrs ago and they were always giving the poor mouth at salary review time, got nothing for 3 years, I got sick of it got myself a new job and once i handed in my notice there was a big hullabullo and they ofered me the extra money then. i didnt take it just got out as it would have probably been another 3 yrs befre i got the next rise! so from my experience you need to show them you mean business before they trump up with the cash.
 
Gabriel said:
Go out and get a new job that pays you what you should be earning.

Then walk into your boss and give them notice...stating that the money in company x was just too hard to turn down.

If you're important to them they will match the salary and you stay. If not you move on and earn a lot more money.
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Submitting notice as a negotiating tactic is not a great idea in my opinion. By all means look for better paying employment and continue to negotiate with your current employer. If you don't get satisfaction or just a better offer then just move on. If they are not willing to pay what you think you are worth but others are then they're probably not worth staying with. If they cave in to bully tactics such as the above then chances are that the same applies.
 
look around for another job get a better salary then ask them for pay rise they dont give you what you want then hand in your notice, they will do you no favors
 
looks like our friend is rather attached emtionally to the company, however the management don't seem to care at all...rather they afraid u know more than them in these case...(this is most common in large organisation)
i guess it maybe a good time to move on to meet new people and a good time to upgrade ur salary from an employer who can regonise ur work!
 
I'd prefer to always leave on a good note.
Decide if the job is more important than the money to you personally.
If you are going to stay regardless then you can't cry wolf by threatenng to leave and could be forced to back down.
It is very demeaning to have to plead for more money although some employees seem to do it constantly, you don't want to become that.
if you just want more money, get another job, tell your employer you need a new challenge or other cliche and walk away. Unless they make you an offer you can't refuse. And i don't mean 10% - 15% more.
 
ClubMan said:
Submitting notice as a negotiating tactic is not a great idea in my opinion. By all means look for better paying employment and continue to negotiate with your current employer. If you don't get satisfaction or just a better offer then just move on. If they are not willing to pay what you think you are worth but others are then they're probably not worth staying with. If they cave in to bully tactics such as the above then chances are that the same applies.
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Wise words. I have been in a similar position to the OP and suggest that the best course of action is to look for new employment. The OP's current employer seems to be demonstrating a disregard for their employee, this is unlikely to change. Time to move on in my opinion.
 
ClubMan said:
Submitting notice as a negotiating tactic is not a great idea in my opinion. By all means look for better paying employment and continue to negotiate with your current employer. If you don't get satisfaction or just a better offer then just move on. If they are not willing to pay what you think you are worth but others are then they're probably not worth staying with. If they cave in to bully tactics such as the above then chances are that the same applies.
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I disagree.

Submitting notice as a negotiating tactic *whilst bearing in mind if it doesn't work you're prepared to leave anyway* is standard practice.

Personally all of this talk of employers not appreciating you is a little naive. The general rule of thumb in most businesses is to get as much effort from your employees whilst keeping costs low...such as wages. It often takes a wake up call to senior management (ie when a long termer hands in notice) to make them smell the coffee. If they don't you've lost nothing and walk into your new job regardless.

I also disagree with the statement that giving money as the reason for leaving is doing so on a bad note. "Hi....I've really enjoyed my time here with you guys...has been a great experience for me...but I went for this other job and the money AND challenge was just too tempting for me to resist". Every boss knows that money is usually the biggest factor why people change jobs. They'd be idiots to think you were only leaving for a "new challenge" alone.
 
Gabriel said:
I disagree.

Submitting notice as a negotiating tactic *whilst bearing in mind if it doesn't work you're prepared to leave anyway* is standard practice.
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An employer who needs employees to engage in such brinkmanship in this sort of negiotiation and who gives in to such approaches is possibly not worth working for in my opinion.
 
ClubMan said:
An employer who needs employees to engage in such brinkmanship in this sort of negiotiation and who gives in to such approaches is possibly not worth working for in my opinion.
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I wouldn't disagree with you...but my point is this describes a lot of companies.
 
...grass is not always greener on the other side !
firstly your working there for over three years - it would appear from its start up ? would you have applied for the job if they had been based in their new location. A three year old company may not be cash rich to afford pay rises over and above their industry norm - perhaps 1k is all they can affford at moment ..never under-estimate what Directors do or dont know ...they would have a contingency plan if you were to leave,
perhaps they may merge / recruit grad /poach another employee with more experience or contacts/ sub contract the work ...even sell off the business. I agree look for a rise because of your input and experience , not due to your own costs / methods of getting to work.
 
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