Joint income of €190k but bad with money

No one should put 10 year money in a deposit product. It should be put in equities.
I get Brendan but I’m looking at this particular scenario where they need guidance. I doubt they are at the stage to get their head around equities. It was an attempt to get them to lock the money by before it is spent.
 
If you think you are bad with money, start with the basics and do a full tax review for as far back as you can and claim for everything you can, health receipts, working from home etc.

Secondly, ensure you have a will and guardianship agreed for the kids if the worst came to the worst.

Does your spose need life assurance, given they are almost 50% of your family income, I would say yes. Could you survive, on your own, without that income?

In terms of the inheiritance, pay off the mortgage and then no one can ever take the roof from over your head. It also frees up €1500 a month for saving and investment. Unless you want to be a landlord, with all the hassle that brings, don't buy a rental property.

In terms of saving, start with the childrens allowance and dump it into a savings account monthly, If you then doubled that with a DD from your own income, in 12 months you'd have 6k+ saved and you probably wouldn't even realise it.
 
All of these replies are so useful, and I have carefully read each one and understand all the points you make. You are all very generous with your wisdom and my big immediate takeaway is that I'm going to up my AVCs right now and also I am definitely going to start a basic budget template - I have never done anything like that before. We definitely take too many holidays and can cut back there - I've always been a 'spend what you have' kind of person but I can see that over a lifetime, that's a bad idea.
I would add that there are other essential expenses I didn't flag up at the start - just forgot to mention them - but our childcare bill is almost equal to our mortgage, and we've had quite a few home repairs to sort out over the last number of years so that has eaten into any savings we did have (they were admittedly small).
But I would like to return to my original question about the inheritance and the idea of buying an investment property. Precisely because I am not a great saver, I felt the investment property might be a way of 'tying up' the money reasonably safely and ensuring that I didn't have the option of just spending on a month to month basis. From your various thoughts, though, that doesn't seem to be a good idea?
 
Would I buy into the current market knowing what I know. ..probably if I could get the right property .... but I have decades of experience, its the frog being boiled slowly anology.

If you are intent on it then go into property investment as a landlord with your eyes open. Understand the significant constraints Irish Landlords operate under.

Read the RTB regs.

Read threads relating to landlord issues on this site.

Finding a suitable property is nor easy. Ideally you need one that's not been rented before or if it has then the rent is strong ...you inherit the rent if in RPZ.(rent pressure zone).

Don't be surprised to get calls all times of day and night.

Have a pool of reliable trades, sparks plumber etc that you can call on.

Do not and I repeat do not leave the running of this property to a third party/letting agent. Do it yourself.

Shortlist about 10 tenants, meet them all individually spend 20 mins or so talking to them and trust your gut. I prefer eastern European as they are polite respectful of property and generally decent to deal with.

I wish I could say the same about my fellow Irishmen and women.I do not deal with them if at all possible. Borne of experience I'm sad to say. Others may have different experience this is all I can speak to which is my own experience.

Once a tenant is in situ for 6 months, best of luck getting shot of them, if they suddenly start causing problems or not paying rent you'll be years trying to evict.

Ensure when buying there's a good sinking fund if its an apt and the fire cert is 100% ok

Lastly do not listen to any sob stories, they are not your concern. This is a business, the minute you appear less than businesslike you will be taken advantage of left right and centre.

These are obviously my own opinions borne out of 25 Yr plus as a landlord.....others will have different opinions.
 
Last edited:
Hello,

I suggest you keep it simple, to begin with....

Do a budget of all of the monthly household bills. There are lots of templates to be found online, you just need to fill in the amounts (which you can easily get, by looking at previous months expenditure). Don't forget to include things like your mortgage, life assurance, house insurance (10% of the premium every month, if you've paid it annually) etc.

- I thnk the two of you should open a joint account, each lodge half of the total monthly amount needed, by standing order, on the day you each get paid - every month. To begin with, each of you also lodge €250 to create a small surplus in the new account. Set up / move all existing direct debits and standing orders (for household bills) to this new joint account. All regular bills now get paid from here, but nothing else. Never touch any remaining funds, if there's a shortfall, top it up by €250 each and continue. After a year, you'll be able to see your true livinv costs.

Stay in for four nights per month (get a takeaway, the odd time, if you must). You'll dislike this the first month, but suck it up, and stick to it, it's really not that hard - and I suspect that you'll still have very healthy social lives, even with this cut back.

Each of you put €100 into a regular savings account. This is should go in by standing order, on the day that you each get paid. Don't touch this for at least one year...

Increase your AVCs by €75 each, per month. This will be deducted from salary, and will only reduce your salaries by about €40-45 per month, after tax.

Cut up your credit card - don't cancel the account. Pay off the balance over six months. Treat it like a loan, once you pay it, you can't reuse it. You'll have to pay interest on it and without being funny, it'll annoy you a little, so you'll likely remember the feeling of having to pay a high interest rate.

If you both don't have individual debit cards, get them. From now on, you pay for things directly out of your current accounts. No one credit cards, for paying for day to day expenditure.

Next thing - get working on cutting your costs back a bit.

Go onto the likes of Bonkers.ie, register your details, then work through the various service providers, to ensure you are getting the best deals on gas, electrivity, broadband, mobile phones, landline etc. Be serious, and you'll save serval hundred euro in 12 months, possibly more (and that's after tax!).

Forget about residential investment properties..... I thnk you'd be crazy to even consider taking one on, before sorting out the many other things that you guys need to attend to, first. Even then, residential properties are currently very expensive to buy, and you don't strike me as the sort of people who will go and repair the leaky tap etc. when you tenant phones to complain, so whatever small rent you'll have left after payment of tax, will quickly be gone, paying third party service, maintenance and repairs etc.

Put the inheritance into a 2 year fixed term savings account. Then, see where your area at, in two years time - with regards to planing for children's education etc.
 
Last edited:
We were in your situation a number of years ago, big incomes and no savings and I work in finance!

We have vastly improved our situation,

Tracking our spending and then using the good budget app religiously ( it’s free and two users can access the same account) you just input any spending and allocate to a category. I use the debt section of it now for our savings ( negative debt) .

Direct debits or even straight from salary to savings are essential. And each time there is a pay rise or a tax cut from government , I would increase pension or savings at that point so you won’t notice the difference.

Also look at all subscriptions and utilities , if can cancel or make a savings then divert that, we are now saving at least €2500 a month on top of pensions. Some is short term for our holidays and we have about €30,000 in insurance savings product investing in equities earmarked for university. ( first leaving cert is in June)
 
Have you done up a budget plan. Until we can see your actual spending it's hard to see where you are going wrong.

Unlike the others I don't agree with you paying off your mortgage from the inheritance, yes the 20K debt. Yes to increasing your pensions. And yes to tying up the money so you don't spend it. Which is what you are afraid of. So put the money in whatever vehicle will make you not touch it.

One could well imagine the chat would be about buying two new expensive cars, going on an African safari or Orlando Disney experience, if that's what you're thinking, then you need to get to grips with the spending and budging now, long before the inheritance.

As regards an investment property, as you can't seem to manage your own finances I can't imagine you'll be cut out to be landlords. If you do go that option, go for a newer property that doesn't require work. You can come back on here for advice if that's what you decide to do. We are not allowed talk about the market, what little there is of it, you'll find it difficult to get a good return unless you know what you are doing.

It's incredible to me that you 'forgot' your large childcare bill.