JLC Court Ruling

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I find the statement below from SIPTU bizarre

But SIPTU called the ruling 'absolutely devastating'.
SIPTU Vice-President, Patricia King, said: 'Today's High Court judgment removes the only protection low paid workers had on their wages and conditions and is absolutely devastating news for them.
'It's the case of all their birthdays coming at once for the most unscrupulous employers in the State who are now free to plunder the wage packets of poorly paid workers.'

Low paid workers are already protected through a minimum wage set in national legisaltion so Patricia King should stop talking through her behind.

As for all those unscrupulous capitalist pigs who are going to plunder the wage pockets of poorly paid workers, why not advise her members to not work for those employers and go off and find an employer who is willing to pay SIPTU wages if they so wish. Slavery was abolished a long time ago.
 
There's another thread on this here.
In theory it should be in the employment section but it'll end up here so...
 
free to plunder the pockets so long as they still abide by the minimum wage and engage in a process of expressed agreement if they wish to reduce wages of existing salaries. So yeah, free to plunder, as long as they comply with the existing constitutional employment law that means they aren't free to plunder as such.
 

Now now, don't be using logic to defeat an argument with phrases like plunder and unscrupulous and poorly paid....
 
While I have some sympathy for low paid workers, overall I think its a great day for the country.

Re low paid workers - the premium is for "unsociable hours" - tisnt very sociable for people to have to emigrate, or drag their family with them, or work away from their family and get home every 2 months. A job is a job, and its based in Ireland, as has been said there's no slavery, there is min wage (comparatively high as it happens) and tons of employment law.

Re Trade Union comment - doesnt surprise me at all, trade unions are a damaging impediment to both worker and industry, useless in every respect, made redundant by minimum wage and employment law.
 
This is a good thing; the less control the government has over us the better.

If only the same group of business people could see their way to taking a case to test the constitutionality of the working time act. Then the state couldn’t tell us when we can work or how much a particular job is worth.
 
In terms of the putative reforms of the JLC system presumably the Government will amend the system to put a similar mechanism in place which will not offend the constitution.

The Duffy/Walsh report stated that the JLC's should be retained , a view shared by the Government so hopefully a working alternative to the JLC system will be quickly put in place.

Perhaps an appeal to the Supreme Court would be a good idea in terms of allowing a breathing space for an alternative system to be explored ?
 
Update.

Interim measures to be introduced by Richard Bruton to protect pay & conditions.
 
Deiseblue said:
Update.

Interim measures to be introduced by Richard Bruton to protect pay & conditions.
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twill be a joke if they insist on missing this open goal. More in their line to sort out the Croke Park farce left by the other gobsheens
 
"Gobsheens".

Perfect.

I'll borrow that, if I may Betsy Og!



ONQ.
 
Purple said:
This is a good thing; the less control the government has over us the better.
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You're starting to sound like you're one of "the most unscrupulous employers in the State" Purple.

LOL!

ONQ.
 
onq said:
You're starting to sound like you're one of "the most unscrupulous employers in the State" Purple.

LOL!

ONQ.
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If the Bearded Brethren and their ilk aren't happy with you then you are doing something right.
 
IMO, it gives the government an opportunity to move away fromt he whole social partnership model, if that's the route they want to go down. The momentum is definitely against unions.
Another cut in public sector pay and I could see huge numbers leave their union.
 
Purple said:
This is a good thing; the less control the government has over us the better.
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The JLCs comprise employer and union representatives. Potentially, both sides have something to gain from an agreement of terms and conditions and that's the basis for their existence. The State just facilitates the process.

The catering group have sucessfully challenged the legality of the structure of the JLCs rather than the principle of agreement under which they operate.

While the abolition of JLC-type agreements suits employers in the current economic environment, the day may come when they would wish for some collective process for ensuring industrial relations stability.
 
Staples said:
the abolition of JLC-type agreements suits employers in the current economic environment, the day may come when they would wish for some collective process for ensuring industrial relations stability.
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Not entirely sure it doesn't suit employers in the long term either. A regression to individual agreements over collective tend to ultimately weaken the employee's position in the medium to long term. There's little solidarity in every one for themselves.
 

Yea, the unions are doing a bang up job in Lufthansa Tecknik where they are happy to sacrifice over 400 jobs over a 2.5% pay increase. They will collectively lose their jobs and have solidarity on the dole queue.
Anything that skews the market is damaging to everyone in the long run. Higher wages that the market will stand causes people to lose their jobs. Take a tour of the rust belt in America if you want to see what strong unions do for their members in the open economy.
 
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