thanks woodie, will try that.
found a link to a good website (i hope) www.tvtrade.ie who iv emailed to see if any help about getting rid of sky package altogether and see theyv a combined free channel box with saorview but really need to have magic eyes working as three tvs on wall and not interested in having boxes/wires all over the place.
the sky system is very efficient we have in place with one box in bedroom and few magic eyes, just the sky box failed.
You seem sure that the box or boxes are the issue. If you are confident that is the problem and about what you are doing then you can buy from eBay just check the sellers warranty and approvals. Be sure you have everything plugged out when making connections to sat cables, I always do to avoid small chance of damage to the kit either box or on the dish end.checked box on the hidden menu and indeed box set to 68 and on. looks like this box faulty. chap in the shop has second box but it too has issues, cant transmit RTE 1,.....both €80 each.
the cheapest call out charge we could get was €100 and feel this is a pure waste of money as we know the box is the issue.
woodies def the box as system is working pref with second hand box from shop, just its not powering the magic eyes which means trips up and down to the bedroom and turning on/off that tv to check things unless one of the kids does the shouting thing up the hall.....
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