riddles I would agree .The problem is posters on hear do not realize it is both a public and private sector problem.It is spiraling out of control because people think they are worth more than they really are in Ireland.
Wages are increasing in a lot of sectors and I will certainly be increasing my own rates soon.
I would prefer to eradicate homelessness.
Not true; if the economy just gets bigger, i.e. more people working in it,
The additional people working in it.
Do you really think the LUAS drivers, the best paid tram drivers in Europe before the strike.
What would you prefer; wage increases in the Public Sector or give the homeless a home?
Transdev obviously have the funds to pay for increases in wages and as you have said are "ploughing ahead with lucrative expansion plans."
Benchmarking 2.0
You have said that we shouldn't borrow to just raise wages, so how should these wage demands be met?
It becomes my business if I have to pay for their wage increases through higher taxes or more borrowings,
I agree, but my point was that an organisation that gives everyone the same increase in pay would never attract him
I don't understand what you mean. I was referring to the nonesense that is equality of outcome.
There are workers out there who have never advanced themselves and are crap at their job, always sick etc
If they don't like their pay levels, find another job.
Giving them higher pay means that someone else is subsidising them
But rather than borrowing more money to fix it I would reduce current spending instead. I would reverse the measures introduced in the budget for example and put the money into eradicating homelessness.
My point is that (1) you have said that we shouldn't borrow just to give someone a pay rise and (2) you prefer to eradicate homelessness rather than increasing pay in the public sector. So why argue further for pay increases....why not instead put your efforts into promoting the eradication of homelessness, as you have said yourself, you would rather fix this first?
Interesting you are referencing the policies of a clear winner of capitalism.
In any case, as per above, Trump seeks to finance this with new bonds.
Also, he is looking to reduce corporate tax. Interesting that, as most of the Left argue for higher corporation taxes
Tut! Tut! But obviously you are worth it. Others are not.
Benchmarking 2.0 in 2008 delivered 0%. Dont let an inconvenient truth stop you however.
Again, you divert the topic onto public sector pay.
Your own sought after wage increase does not factor into the cost of living in this country does it not?
If you get a pay rise, will others in your sector not seek the same?
I'm not aware of what (edit: most of) my colleagues are earning and am doing nicely thanks. I do believe I can earn more next year though, but I could be wrong.Or are you looking at rises awarded to colleagues and playing a bit of catch up?
I agree they played hard-ball and I if I was dealing with a union I would too!Thats not what they said before the strike. They delayed , and threw obstacles and hid behind political circumstances.
Fiscal stimulus. I've already told you this, why do you keep repeating it? If you were in charge you would eradicate homelessness. I have told you the amount of trades and workers that could benefit, not a public sector worker in sight. This topic is not about current pay disputes of any particular sector. It is about formulating economic policy that will bring people back to work, increase state revenues, reduce the cost of welfare benefits, increase incomes and provide economic stability in the years ahead.
And your pay rise becomes my business if my cost of living increases. Or are you excluded from the economy as a whole, do you not count in the overall scheme of things?
I was referring to your incessant compulsion to talk about public sector pay only, and ignore private sector pay increases.
So for that, the rest of the workforce should freeze, cut pay?
If you are sick, you are sick. Either you lose your job and rely on disability allowance or you dont progress far in your job and remain on low pay. What proportion of the population are we talking about here? What levels of pay or disability allowances are we talking about, that could prevent the progress of the rest of the workforce?
I find it highly amusing that the teachers and Gardai are protesting against the government, when it was their unions shafted them by agreeing to the terms!Yes, and then other workers can fill their vacancies for less income. Because they wil only be too glad to work for less, a bit like what is actually happening - new recruits to teaching and the Gardai are just so grateful to have a job that pays less than their colleagues.
I agree with all that and it's why the government gave them the extra money.Only if you believe that what they do for a living is being overvalued. Take the (near) Garda strike for example. Had the Gardai gone on strike and someone shunted into the back of your car that morning, you would obviously file an insurance claim. But without a Garda report, the insurance claim may not get through if the other party in the accident denied what occured. Think of all the court cases thrown out because Garda witness didnt turn to court. Think of large entertainment and sport events that would have to be cancelled because of no garda presence. Think of security cash vans that couldn't deliver to atms because without garda emergency response are not insured.
Think of serious crimes not being investigated properly, the list goes on.
But the point is, the cost to the economy and society at large is far greater, in the absence of law enforcement, than the cost of a days wage to gardai.
If you want to that that is fine. You are simply re-directing spending, not reducing it. Instead of money pumped into the economy via public sector wages, you would pump money into the private sector through a house building program, private sector wages. Its fiscal stimulus either way, what ive been arguing for.
To eradicate homelessness, as you have pointed out, will require people to be paid. Its still government spending. It creates demand and in turn this will lead to wage increases across the economy. Its not rocket science.
Instead what we have is QE, bank balance sheets being stuffed with money printing. So banks will lend again, so we can buy ipads and SUV's or go on the rip, or speculate on property prices etc
The guy is twerp, out of his depth, and if that is your idea of a 'winner', thats your view.
But at least he has the foresight to see fiscal stimulus, infrastructure spending and borrowing is preferable to what we have now.
Yes, government borrowing. Money is cheap.
I find it interesting that you dont seem to take issue with private banks borrowing at 0% so they can lend us the money to be 'suckers', but you take issue with government borrowing even if it may eradicate homelessness.
Like I said, he is a twerp. Nowhere have I argued for reduced corporate tax.
Never said I was worth it. As an IT contractor I am 100% at the mercy of the market.
It's not my intention.
I don't believe so. It is based on what I can earn in an open market.
How would they know? I don't discuss my rates / earnings with anyone except my employer
I'm not aware of what my colleagues are earning and am doing nicely thanks. I do believe I can earn more next year though, but I could be wrong.
It's debatable if eradicating homelessness would "increase state revenues, reduce the cost of welfare benefits", but I think it should still be done and we both agree on that.
The reason I am asking about how public sector pay can be increased is because it's the largest cohort of workers in the country.
My bad, when I said sick I meant "sick". You know, the people who take sickies.
I find it highly amusing that the teachers and Gardai are protesting against the government, when it was their unions shafted them by agreeing to the terms!
In any case I am happy to discuss how you think wages across the public sector can be increased also.
Not necessarily, if we re-direct spending the money pumped into the economy stays the same, just that a different group (the homeless) benefit.
You've made this point upteen times and I agree with it.
If he can get the finance and if it makes sense to do so
As already pointed out - when the government needs to re-finance this debt the interest rates are likely to he higher.
I have a massive problem with banks lending at 0%. It's madness and people are buying all sorts of crap they don't need.
But he is arguing for a reduction in corporate tax to help fund his stimulus package
Shouldn't you look for a pay cut so? You know, keep yourself competitive and all?
You are making a good stab at it though!
Even though you dont intend to keep reverting back to discussing public sector pay?
Where is this open market? Can I see the prices? Can you?
Oh, its actually a closed market, based on confidentiality agreements and secrecy.
If I am not happy with my job I look for something else.Who does that suit I wonder? Especially when it comes to unfairness.
That is one of the benefits of a trade union, they can take exploitative employers to task. Better than having individual workers making a nuisance by picketing.
How do you know? You must access to information that tells you can earn more. But simultaneously, you keep your earnings secret.
Everything is debatable. But if you are going to build homes, this costs money, in planning, design, construction, public works, etc. Sounds like increased employment, sounds like reduced dole queues, sounds like increased revenues, VAT etc
Yeh, I know a colleague currently recovering from breast cancer operation, with severve difficulties. She is now on half pay, not much higher than welfare rates. All these sick days add to the total sick leave in the public sector.
A friend of mine, in the private sector on the other hand broke his leg in numerous places, out of work for ten weeks on welfare benefits, no pay. But at least it doesn't count as sick days in the private sector!
So now the unions are doing the state a service?
Honestly! You are not a bot are you?
Who will build these homes? Will they get paid? Will they pay taxes? Is VAT applicable in all of this activity? Will there be profits for construction companies? Will they pay taxes.
Great, so you are against QE. You are also in favour of fiscal stimulus.
Can we take it as a given that we all believe our opinions and policy preferences make sense to at least those who proffer them?
As will the banks who are borrowing from ECB at 0%
Its the ECB that is lending to banks at 0%. The banks are lending to consumers for higher rates and profits. Eventually these profits will trickle down to us all, ha!ha!hah!
So you said. I said he is a twerp. I said I dont believe that is a good idea.
No, it's an open market; everyone negotiates their own pay levels with perspective employers. If one employer is paying less than everyone else they don't get the right employees. If everyone was on the same pay levels or engaged in collective bargaining it would not be an open market.Oh, its actually a closed market, based on confidentiality agreements and secrecy. Who does that suit I wonder? Especially when it comes to unfairness.
That's a terribly negative view of the world. Who takes the exploitative unions to task as they take more and more from the poor and vulnerable and give it to middle income employees in the protected sector? Shame on them.That is one of the benefits of a trade union, they can take exploitative employers to task. Better than having individual workers making a nuisance by picketing.
He should have got serious illness insurance. It amazes me that people are so unable to make provision for themselves.A friend of mine, in the private sector on the other hand broke his leg in numerous places, out of work for ten weeks on welfare benefits, no pay. But at least it doesn't count as sick days in the private sector!
And if you are not you won't get the work and so will have to reduce your rates; an open market.No, I believe I am competitive at my current rate and will still be competitive at the higher rate.
And if you are not you won't get the work and so will have to reduce your rates; an open market.
He should have got serious illness insurance. It amazes me that people are so unable to make provision for themselves.
Where did I say that? My point is that the workers should be marching to their unions demanding why they agreed to the terms!
No, I believe I am competitive at my current rate and will still be competitive at the higher rate
If you can tell me how increasing wages in the public sector can be achieved, (you have already stated we shouldn't borrow to just give pay rises), I will happily move on.
firefly You are almost 100% sure of getting your pay rise. The people who directly Hire you may want a pay rise and by giving you a pay rise will be able to have pay rise also . They may not be able to afford to give a pay rise lower down of to everyone . This is the main reason the top 20% pay more tax in this country .So you see this is how it works in both the public and private sectors.
Absolutely. It will be a short conversation. I actually intend to stay where I am whatever the outcome. It's a good, long running contract with very decent work.
And if you are not you won't get the work and so will have to reduce your rates; an open market.
They do, the last ADC I was at got pretty heated. The union leadership prevailed however.
Good, and I do hope you get that pay rise. It will be good for our economy if this manifests into pay rises for the population at large.
Through increased productivity. If the state borrows, say for...I dunno...eh, say a house building program. This will create employment in the construction sector. It will also create economic activity in legal and other professional activities including planning divisions of county councils, Office of public works etc. This will create employment, relieve the homeless crisis. It may also act as a buffer to increasing property prices, facilitating first-time buyers to enter the market, inducing more economic activity in the areas I have already mentioned. Not only that, other entrepreneurs may try take advantage of this new confidence by investing in ancillary enterprises like a restaurant, or supermarket. This will create more demand. And in doing so, as the economy grows, this activity will require public services, like a park, or a hospital or a garda station. And no different to yourself, most public servants are good at their jobs. And when the economy is growing, they look to see their own standard of living is maintained and or improved.
Thats how wage increases in the public service can be achieved.
But to ask you a question, you dont agree with increased government borrowing and you dont agree with QE.
Would this not simply bring about a economic meltdown? What would you do to stimulate economic activity?
It will be when the contract is up for renewal we'll having "the chat". And they're a great company and always pay on time.If it is a contract then you should be able to sue if breached.
If your contract expires and is not renewed it is either no work available or you are not as competitive as you think you are.
firefly you know better than that you sound like some people who got a big fat pay rise.your reply is straight out of the public service union BOOK
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