is it possible to buy a classic car and use it for their everyday driving?
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Re: An everyday classic?
Do you have any ideas yourself in terms of type of car? e.g. cruiser/roadster etc
There'll always be a higher element of risk with much older cars and of course you can simply be lucky/unlucky. I'd start by deciding what type of car you want and why.
Either way, I'm guessing not many people would advocate that you rely completely on a classic car for everyday driving. I think there are all sorts of anomalies in terms of reliability - e.g. a 60s Triumph can still command high prices and be fairly reliable but some 70s Jags come cheap - but can be spectacularly unreliable.
There are probably loads of vintage/classic sites which would advise you better.
Do you have any ideas yourself in terms of type of car? e.g. cruiser/roadster etc
There'll always be a higher element of risk with much older cars and of course you can simply be lucky/unlucky. I'd start by deciding what type of car you want and why.
Either way, I'm guessing not many people would advocate that you rely completely on a classic car for everyday driving. I think there are all sorts of anomalies in terms of reliability - e.g. a 60s Triumph can still command high prices and be fairly reliable but some 70s Jags come cheap - but can be spectacularly unreliable.
There are probably loads of vintage/classic sites which would advise you better.
Re: An everyday classic?
I drive a 1991 Toyota myself and have relatively little bother with it.
As long as you service it regularly and get any little niggly things fixed asap then well built cars can be used daily. But I think 'well built' is the keyword here. I believe mine is running so well because its a Toyota, but I also think that a lot of older cars were better built than those today.
Old Mercs and BMWs are a lot more reliable than the ones they build these days. Not so sure on the likes of 60s cars such as Triumphs etc. Perhaps these might not be suitable for daily use.
I drive a 1991 Toyota myself and have relatively little bother with it.
As long as you service it regularly and get any little niggly things fixed asap then well built cars can be used daily. But I think 'well built' is the keyword here. I believe mine is running so well because its a Toyota, but I also think that a lot of older cars were better built than those today.
Old Mercs and BMWs are a lot more reliable than the ones they build these days. Not so sure on the likes of 60s cars such as Triumphs etc. Perhaps these might not be suitable for daily use.
Re: An everyday classic?
A '91 toyota is hardly a 'classic' now is it ? And you don't buy a classic for the safety features !!!
Check out a few classic car mags as I was thinking of doing the same myself and there's loadsa cars out there that you'd never think about but the Classic Car mags are the place to start !!
Good luck, hope you're handy under the bonnet
A '91 toyota is hardly a 'classic' now is it ? And you don't buy a classic for the safety features !!!
Check out a few classic car mags as I was thinking of doing the same myself and there's loadsa cars out there that you'd never think about but the Classic Car mags are the place to start !!
Good luck, hope you're handy under the bonnet
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Re: An everyday classic?
AFAIK, if you are using it for everyday use - so you don't have another car insured and are doing reasonable mileage - you can't get classic car insurance for it. So make sure you do the sums on the insurance front.
AFAIK, if you are using it for everyday use - so you don't have another car insured and are doing reasonable mileage - you can't get classic car insurance for it. So make sure you do the sums on the insurance front.
Re: An everyday classic?
I did exactly that few years ago and would never do it again...too much hassle with maintenance.
May be OK if you buy an heritage shell, e.g. a classic car that has been entirely stripped and rebuilt.
I did exactly that few years ago and would never do it again...too much hassle with maintenance.
May be OK if you buy an heritage shell, e.g. a classic car that has been entirely stripped and rebuilt.
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Re: An everyday classic?
what about a 1991 Nissan Figaro?
I may be biased as I import them but the fact is they are rising in value by about 1000 a year
the 1 litre turbo engine is robust and economical
when you throw in the retro styling, convertible top, auto box, leather seats aircon all mods cons, there is one unique car!
pm me for more details
what about a 1991 Nissan Figaro?
I may be biased as I import them but the fact is they are rising in value by about 1000 a year
the 1 litre turbo engine is robust and economical
when you throw in the retro styling, convertible top, auto box, leather seats aircon all mods cons, there is one unique car!
pm me for more details
Re: An everyday classic?
Obviously i would need to do a bit more research into the car but the 3 that come to mind would be
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=802397
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=428983
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/inde... is shown below.&CFID=580760&CFTOKEN=97079135
The 'new classics' like the figaro and mitsuoka are and can be very nice i just think they can lokk kinda strange with a very up to date reg on them
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/inde... is shown below.&CFID=580760&CFTOKEN=97079135
Obviously i would need to do a bit more research into the car but the 3 that come to mind would be
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=802397
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=428983
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/inde... is shown below.&CFID=580760&CFTOKEN=97079135
The 'new classics' like the figaro and mitsuoka are and can be very nice i just think they can lokk kinda strange with a very up to date reg on them
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/inde... is shown below.&CFID=580760&CFTOKEN=97079135
Re: An everyday classic?
You could try emailing honestjohn to get his opinion - the cars you have linked to do not feature in his car by car breakdown.
www.honestjohn.co.uk
I've contacted him twice and he does reply, although his responses are (understandably) quite brief so I would choose how I phrase the question carefully.
You could try emailing honestjohn to get his opinion - the cars you have linked to do not feature in his car by car breakdown.
www.honestjohn.co.uk
I've contacted him twice and he does reply, although his responses are (understandably) quite brief so I would choose how I phrase the question carefully.
Re: An everyday classic?
Just prior to the introduction of the NCT, I had just completed 35,000 miles in a 1970 Morris 1300 that had been bought in Kildare in 1995 for the princely sum of £100 and put back on the road looking cosmetically awful but running strongly.
The car ran with minimal trouble, was broken into once and had a couple of ongoing issues (burned oil, slow leak in the hydrolastic suspension), but was essentially the best car I ever owned. Corroded electrics eventually caused it to go off the road and I gave it away (sorry that I did too but I couldn't hold onto it)
I believe it is possible to run a classic as an everyday car but there are some things that in my experience must be borne in mind.
Older cars wear out a bit faster than newer ones, 20 years ago, a 10-year-old car was an old car, but current 10-year-old cars are much less aged. If you put an old car through a hard life, it will wear out and you can expect it to need a fair bit of attention to maintain - much more than modern motors.
Related to the above, don't treat your classic used every day motor as an investment. It probably won't hold its value having been put to normal use so maybe avoid going and getting a concours example - which will cost a fortune and has never been subjected to abuse. Just look for a good one which will do fine.
You need the help of a good garage/mechanic. I found garages remarkably intolerable of my Morris - many took one look and said 'can't help you' - this is despite the fact that there were (and still are) plenty of Minis and Metros knocking around with pretty much the same engine/running gear as my Morris. Don't expect an ordinary garage of uninterested mechanic to mind your car the way you will need it minded.
You might need to accumulate a small stockpile of parts that could be hard to get - such as glass, lights and chrome pieces. These could be nearly impossible to get easily but will cause your car to go off the road if they get broken in an everyday motoring tip. Scrapyards are now full of 80s and 90s cars so anything older than that will be hard to find.
For car insurance, you will probably only get a specialist policy, you might need to commit to a limited mileage and you will most probably have to join a recognised owners club for the car. Insurance should not be excessive tho.
If you're importing the car from the UK or the north, get one pre-1977 because you'll pay a flat registration fee (which I believe is less than €100). anything younger than that will have the fee based on a percentage of the Irish list price of the car when it was new, so if you're getting a car that was dear then it could be quite pricy to import now.
Get an unleaded conversion as most older cars need leaded petrol and Lead replacement petrol is just a pain to go looking for if its not available at petrol stations you go to regularly.
Apart from that - go enjoy. I would love to have another Morris now but cost and practicality rule that out right now. If you want to do it then go right ahead!
Just prior to the introduction of the NCT, I had just completed 35,000 miles in a 1970 Morris 1300 that had been bought in Kildare in 1995 for the princely sum of £100 and put back on the road looking cosmetically awful but running strongly.
The car ran with minimal trouble, was broken into once and had a couple of ongoing issues (burned oil, slow leak in the hydrolastic suspension), but was essentially the best car I ever owned. Corroded electrics eventually caused it to go off the road and I gave it away (sorry that I did too but I couldn't hold onto it)
I believe it is possible to run a classic as an everyday car but there are some things that in my experience must be borne in mind.
Older cars wear out a bit faster than newer ones, 20 years ago, a 10-year-old car was an old car, but current 10-year-old cars are much less aged. If you put an old car through a hard life, it will wear out and you can expect it to need a fair bit of attention to maintain - much more than modern motors.
Related to the above, don't treat your classic used every day motor as an investment. It probably won't hold its value having been put to normal use so maybe avoid going and getting a concours example - which will cost a fortune and has never been subjected to abuse. Just look for a good one which will do fine.
You need the help of a good garage/mechanic. I found garages remarkably intolerable of my Morris - many took one look and said 'can't help you' - this is despite the fact that there were (and still are) plenty of Minis and Metros knocking around with pretty much the same engine/running gear as my Morris. Don't expect an ordinary garage of uninterested mechanic to mind your car the way you will need it minded.
You might need to accumulate a small stockpile of parts that could be hard to get - such as glass, lights and chrome pieces. These could be nearly impossible to get easily but will cause your car to go off the road if they get broken in an everyday motoring tip. Scrapyards are now full of 80s and 90s cars so anything older than that will be hard to find.
For car insurance, you will probably only get a specialist policy, you might need to commit to a limited mileage and you will most probably have to join a recognised owners club for the car. Insurance should not be excessive tho.
If you're importing the car from the UK or the north, get one pre-1977 because you'll pay a flat registration fee (which I believe is less than €100). anything younger than that will have the fee based on a percentage of the Irish list price of the car when it was new, so if you're getting a car that was dear then it could be quite pricy to import now.
Get an unleaded conversion as most older cars need leaded petrol and Lead replacement petrol is just a pain to go looking for if its not available at petrol stations you go to regularly.
Apart from that - go enjoy. I would love to have another Morris now but cost and practicality rule that out right now. If you want to do it then go right ahead!
Re: An everyday classic?
In fairness that guy does an unreal amount of work for people who use his site
that was one of the reasons i was thinking american as there should be a large amount of parts available online
In fairness that guy does an unreal amount of work for people who use his site
that was one of the reasons i was thinking american as there should be a large amount of parts available online
Re: An everyday classic?
Now,now, that's a bit personal isn't it
Good luck, hope you're handy under the bonnet
Now,now, that's a bit personal isn't it
Re: An everyday classic?
No yet a classic car IMO..
By definition, a classic car is to be at least 20 years old or 30 from a tax point of view.
New website started in Aug 2007 about classics. Still a bit bear, but eventually and hopefully will become busy.
No yet a classic car IMO..
By definition, a classic car is to be at least 20 years old or 30 from a tax point of view.
New website started in Aug 2007 about classics. Still a bit bear, but eventually and hopefully will become busy.
Re: An everyday classic?
I'll admit that a 91 Toyota isn't able to be termed a 'classic' yet, but give me a break, its 16 years old and running like a dream. I am continually being told that its time I sold it, but its a great car and there is no reason to get rid of it - with proper servicing and repairs I believe it will run for many years to come. They aren't many people driving around in 16 year old cars these days (they are all 06/07 according to that German ambassador).
I was sort of coming from the NI side of things, where you get classic car insurance a lot earlier than in RoI. I think my car might qualify already, but I appreciate that the OP was probably talking more about a 60s or 70s car than a 90s one.
A '91 toyota is hardly a 'classic' now is it ? And you don't buy a classic for the safety features !!!
Check out a few classic car mags as I was thinking of doing the same myself and there's loadsa cars out there that you'd never think about but the Classic Car mags are the place to start !!
Good luck, hope you're handy under the bonnet
I'll admit that a 91 Toyota isn't able to be termed a 'classic' yet, but give me a break, its 16 years old and running like a dream. I am continually being told that its time I sold it, but its a great car and there is no reason to get rid of it - with proper servicing and repairs I believe it will run for many years to come. They aren't many people driving around in 16 year old cars these days (they are all 06/07 according to that German ambassador).
I was sort of coming from the NI side of things, where you get classic car insurance a lot earlier than in RoI. I think my car might qualify already, but I appreciate that the OP was probably talking more about a 60s or 70s car than a 90s one.
Re: An everyday classic?
so if i buy a car from you this year , you buy it back from me next year for €1000 more, correct?
so if i buy a car from you this year , you buy it back from me next year for €1000 more, correct?
Re: An everyday classic?
Yes, it's certainly possible - I did so for may years with a sucession of cars that were between 15 and 25 years old.
However, I wouldn't do it now:
- you will never know setting out if you're likely to get to your destination without breaking down: the reliability of even the premium makes is way, way lower than even the most basic of modern cars (the comment above on modern vs. classic BMWs is just not true: ask anyone involved in servicing them).
- you run the risk of being off the road for extended periods if you're trying to source some hard-to-find part
- safety is much lower than any modern car (yes, you don't buy a classic for safety features, but if you're using it every day, you've got to ask yourself if it makes sense in modern driving conditions to be driving something that'll probably kill you if anyone hits it with any sort of serious impact)
- it'll probaby be roasting in summer and freezing (and hard to see out of) in winter
- it'll be tedious to drive in traffic
- you'll have to find someone to look after it, and you'll spend a lot of maintenance (not so much regular items such as oil and filters which will be cheaper, but in replacing worn out items).
- if your windscreen is damaged you could be in for a long wait or great expense to get it replaced (depending on model)
- all these and more problems will lead you to end up disliking the thing
Far better to have a a 2nd car to use at week-ends and the like, when the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
Yes, it's certainly possible - I did so for may years with a sucession of cars that were between 15 and 25 years old.
However, I wouldn't do it now:
- you will never know setting out if you're likely to get to your destination without breaking down: the reliability of even the premium makes is way, way lower than even the most basic of modern cars (the comment above on modern vs. classic BMWs is just not true: ask anyone involved in servicing them).
- you run the risk of being off the road for extended periods if you're trying to source some hard-to-find part
- safety is much lower than any modern car (yes, you don't buy a classic for safety features, but if you're using it every day, you've got to ask yourself if it makes sense in modern driving conditions to be driving something that'll probably kill you if anyone hits it with any sort of serious impact)
- it'll probaby be roasting in summer and freezing (and hard to see out of) in winter
- it'll be tedious to drive in traffic
- you'll have to find someone to look after it, and you'll spend a lot of maintenance (not so much regular items such as oil and filters which will be cheaper, but in replacing worn out items).
- if your windscreen is damaged you could be in for a long wait or great expense to get it replaced (depending on model)
- all these and more problems will lead you to end up disliking the thing
Far better to have a a 2nd car to use at week-ends and the like, when the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
Re: An everyday classic?
Just had a think and was wondering what exactly qualifies a car to be called a 'classic'.
There are some cars out on the roads that are very rare and whose prices are on the rise, so these are already classics if you ask me, and will be even more in the future.
Thinking of the likes of the VW Corrado and Golf Mk1 GTi (both of which I'd love).
A '91 toyota is hardly a 'classic' now is it ? And you don't buy a classic for the safety features !!!
Check out a few classic car mags as I was thinking of doing the same myself and there's loadsa cars out there that you'd never think about but the Classic Car mags are the place to start !!
Good luck, hope you're handy under the bonnet
Just had a think and was wondering what exactly qualifies a car to be called a 'classic'.
There are some cars out on the roads that are very rare and whose prices are on the rise, so these are already classics if you ask me, and will be even more in the future.
Thinking of the likes of the VW Corrado and Golf Mk1 GTi (both of which I'd love).
Re: An everyday classic?
Few things found on the web ...Seems to answer your query with more queries
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I had a look at various "classics" club/forums...and the description vary a lot. Some conider classics as being pre 1948..
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Few things found on the web ...Seems to answer your query with more queries
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I had a look at various "classics" club/forums...and the description vary a lot. Some conider classics as being pre 1948..
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