irish people forfeiting annual leave to enhance prospects of promotion

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anyone tune into radio this morning to hear that tonnes of irish folk are afraid to take annual leave in case they get passed over for promotion!!! - i'm shocked!! priorities, priorities....don't these people know that life flashes by and the bus pass will be in the post before they know it!!.....jeez, its time to wise up and live life, and not behind some stupid mouse pad!!....so what if you drive a lada and the guy next door a beemer!!....he's probably a stressed out loo-la competing with himself!!.....
 
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People work hard for all sorts of reasons moneypenny. I would be slow to categorise everyone who works long hours in a high stress job and/or owns a BMW as a "stressed out loo-la competing with himself". Some jobs and some industries are like that. Some people find themselves in jobs where you either do very well or don't survive at all.
I do take your point though that life can pass us by if we are not careful.
 
Ah shure only for the EU we'd be banjaxed altogether :) The whole country is set up to make us into little worker bees to drive the econcomy and keep the show on the road. I learned loads in school but hardly anything that relates to my every day life or anything emotional/sociological/physical etc. and very little to help me think for myself. I learned loads to get high points and get a good degree and a good job to be a gainfully employed citizen, in a country where we keep spending so that we have to keep working and the hours get longer so we don't have enough time to realise this is what is happening before it's too late. Arrrggghhhhh!

Sorry all, I'm having a very cynical day today :)

Rebecca
 
MissRibena said:
Ah shure only for the EU we'd be banjaxed altogether :) The whole country is set up to make us into little worker bees to drive the econcomy and keep the show on the road. I learned loads in school but hardly anything that relates to my every day life or anything emotional/sociological/physical etc. and very little to help me think for myself. I learned loads to get high points and get a good degree and a good job to be a gainfully employed citizen, in a country where we keep spending so that we have to keep working and the hours get longer so we don't have enough time to realise this is what is happening before it's too late. Arrrggghhhhh!

Sorry all, I'm having a very cynical day today :)

Rebecca
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It might be a cynical view but I agree totally with it. I never miss holidays. Whats the point in life if you dont live. Die tomorrow and after a week or two nobody besides your closest family and friends will remember or care about you. Look up and observe the person near you, do you really want to be around them all the time?
 
I firmly belive in the old saying "you work to live not live to work" I do work hard and at times long hours but I also take time off and enjoy life.
 
Should have come to my school MissR. I remember one teacher (bus.org.) telling us that it was pure madness to work 50 weeks of the year for the sake of a 2 week holiday and to always make sure we made the most out of life and not just the most out of work. He left same year I did and bought a farm down the country by the way - reckoned he might have had five years more teaching in him but would be completely worn down by then and too old to contemplate a new start.
 
sorry I just don't get it why would someone get passed over for promotion just for
taking annual leave ???

what kind of company would encourage this !!

- worker optimally doesn't mean working longer ......

can someone give me more detail on this sounds very strange.....

all the institutes of education and companies I have work for encourage taking annual leave ..
unless you decide to take leave at a very critical stage of a project.

most people that I know don't take their annual leave because they prefer to stay at work ... or for their own personal reasons ..... nothing to do with being passed over for promotion,,,,,
 
moneypenny said:
anyone tune into radio this morning to hear that tonnes of irish folk are afraid to take annual leave in case they get passed over for promotion!!!
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Was there any data to back this theory up? Or were they just using shock tactics to stir up an interesting discussion?
 
I know of several financial institutions where taking annual leave is compulsory (no ifs, ands or buts). Some of these employees have up to 30 days annual leave to take.
 
I know some people who do not take their annual leave quota. They (wrongfully) believe they are so important to the company that if they go on leave the whole place would grind to a halt.

C
(working for myself so I can control and manage my own time to watch my family grow)
 
Media reports about issues like this are generally as representative of the general view/situation as text/telephone polls - i.e. not really. Take them with a grain of salt.
 
Heard about this on Hookie alright - the sample involved included only 500-600 users of their website so it can hardly be regarded as a decent or truly random sample.
 
OhPinchy said:
Heard about this on Hookie alright - the sample involved included only 500-600 users of their website so it can hardly be regarded as a decent or truly random sample.
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500-600 people who are logging on to a website looking for a job. Of course they'd give up their holidays for a promotion. If they were asked would they give up their holidays in order to get a job, they'd probably do that as well.

Hardly representative. Maybe we should have an askaboutmoney.com survey asking the same questions?? Clubman??
 
Capaill said:
I know some people who do not take their annual leave quota. They (wrongfully) believe they are so important to the company that if they go on leave the whole place would grind to a halt.
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Such individuals should be viewed as a security risk by any half-decent manager, as they may be trying to keep the tracks of their fraud covered up.
 
Annual leave is compulsory and employers are the ones with the obligation to make sure that employees take it
 
stuart said:
Annual leave is compulsory and employers are the ones with the obligation to make sure that employees take it
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Hi Stuart,

This is interesting! Do you know the legislation which makes Annual Leave compulsory? Also do you know how (and by whom) the leglislation is enforced?

Thanks,
ajapale
 
Hmm,
I surprised to see some peoples shock at this statement.

Ill put my hand up and say I was 100% guilty of this practice (not taking annual leave to enhance promotion possibility), for me it was a learning curve it took me a while to see that this practice was unhealthy for me and didnt really contribute to getting a promotion. Ive worked for a Manufacturing company, Telco company and currently for a software vendor. In all these companies Ive felt this pressure (not so much in the telco one). In my current company, Ive been asked on 3 occasions to cancel holidays. Again a learning curve for me, to learn how to say no and not feel like Im going to be passed over for promotion and more recently not feel like Im going to be made redundant.

Right now I feel under significant pressure to do an mba, nobody is telling me I wont get my next promotion without one but the people getting up to the next level are all armed with one. Im not going off topic here Im just trying to show how you can put pressure on yourself that is not altogether unrealistic.
 
The payment in lieu of leave is what prevents you from not taking it

This is to prevent employers from refusing annualleave and then stating that an employee decided not to take it

stuart@buyingtolet.ie
 
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