On this point again. The government is to blame; they have created and maintained a very equal society though a very generous welfare system and very low taxes on low and middle income earners. If we had more inequality we'd have lower costs. There are no right wing political parties in Ireland so the current consensus is unlikely to change.Costs are simply too high in Ireland and the government is directly to blame.
Console yourself that per capita the State is spending massively more providing your household with services such as electricity, broadband and roads than those in urban areas.Only if you're among the 90% who have access to mains water supply!
As one of the 180,000 Irish householders (about 10% of the total) with no access to mains water, it costs me quite a lot annually to produce potable water - and we won't even discuss what happens to my foul water in case we upset sensitive readers!
Talk about a sweeping statement...Console yourself that per capita the State is spending massively more providing your household with services such as electricity, broadband and roads than those in urban areas.
A secondary road costs the same per Km whether there's 10 houses on it or 100. The same for other services. There are economies of scale in the provision of services and infrastructure. The State spends more per capita to provide basic services to people on areas with lower population densities.Talk about a sweeping statement...
All true but nothing to do with the barb you directed at @Marsupial. I pay for the roads you drive on. You pay for the roads I drive on. If a particular road in say West Cork or West Dublin is badly maintained, it's just as likely to damage your car as mine, and mine as yours. The people who live on or near it have neither title nor claim to it.A secondary road costs the same per Km whether there's 10 houses on it or 100. The same for other services. There are economies of scale in the provision of services and infrastructure. The State spends more per capita to provide basic services to people on areas with lower population densities.
That's always the way it's been and that's the way it should be, unless we want everyone to live in large towns and cities and rural areas to be deserted. I've no problem with that, if anything I think we should be spending more on rural areas, especially smaller towns and larger villages, in order to keep them viable economically and socially.
Console yourself that per capita the State is spending massively more providing your household with services such as electricity, broadband and roads than those in urban areas.
A secondary road costs the same per Km whether there's 10 houses on it or 100. The same for other services. There are economies of scale in the provision of services and infrastructure. The State spends more per capita to provide basic services to people on areas with lower population densities.
That's always the way it's been and that's the way it should be, unless we want everyone to live in large towns and cities and rural areas to be deserted. I've no problem with that, if anything I think we should be spending more on rural areas, especially smaller towns and larger villages, in order to keep them viable economically and socially.
Aren't energy standing charges higher for rural customers?Console yourself that per capita the State is spending massively more providing your household with services such as electricity, broadband and roads than those in urban areas.
I don't know.Aren't energy standing charges higher for rural customers?
They mustn't be that sophisticated if they are stupid enough to think that. Console yourself that most of the income the beef farmers get if from handouts from the EU.My nearest road is used by the dairy tankers and cattle trucks who collect milk and livestock that, after processing, is delivered to the sophisticated urbanites who think that meat and dairy produce grow on trees!
That's also heavily subsidised.Oh and our local rural link bus also travels along it, 10 times a week!
Again, they mustn't be that sophisticated if they are stupid enough to think that. Console yourself with the fact that the grants given to the power companies to put up the wind farms come from taxes generated in urban areas. Nobody's looking that bright if the rural dwellers think they have anything to do with the wind farms or indeed if they think the wind farms are a core part of our electricity generation capacity.My local electricity infrastructure takes the power generated by the local wind farm and puts it into a wire which magically transfers it 300 km to the homes of the sophisticated urbanites who think that electricity is generated mainly by converting the hot air that they generate into AC current!
And so onAnd so on!
It's not a barb, it's a friendly dry comment. I'm in favour of water charges, the fact that 10% of the population pay for their own water is inequitable; everyone should pay for it.All true but nothing to do with the barb you directed at @Marsupial.
Yep, but if someone chooses to live up the side of a mountain should the State have to run a paved road and electricity wires to their house? Sure we can all drive on it but the residents are the ones that need it.I pay for the roads you drive on. You pay for the roads I drive on. If a particular road in say West Cork or West Dublin is badly maintained, it's just as likely to damage your car as mine, and mine as yours. The people who live on or near it have neither title nor claim to it.
Indeed they should, but we are where we are.It's not a barb, it's a friendly dry comment. I'm in favour of water charges, the fact that 10% of the population pay for their own water is inequitable; everyone should pay for it.
I'd wager there's a vanishingly small number of people nationwide in that category. The population numbers in places like Connemara are absolutely tiny when we exclude those living in villages and towns.Yep, but if someone chooses to live up the side of a mountain should the State have to run a paved road and electricity wires to their house?
No, everyone needs not just the roads they drive on, but the entire network. I haven't driven the Port Tunnel for years but its existence and use by others makes my driving around Dublin all the safer and more convenient.Sure we can all drive on it but the residents are the ones that need it.
We are indeed.Indeed they should, but we are where we are.
True, but the cost of provision to villages is more expensive per capita than it is to towns etc.I'd wager there's a vanishingly small number of people nationwide in that category. The population numbers in places like Connemara are absolutely tiny when we exclude those living in villages and towns.
The Port Tunnel has a national economic impact, as does the Jack Lynch Tunnel and the M50 and the M8.No, everyone needs not just the roads they drive on, but the entire network. I haven't driven the Port Tunnel for years but its existence and use by others makes my driving around Dublin all the safer and more convenient.
You were arguing about mountainsides earlier, now it's villages?True, but the cost of provision to villages is more expensive per capita than it is to towns etc.
Measuring respective costs per capita is a weird concept when nobody lives on the Port Tunnel.The Port Tunnel has a national economic impact, as does the Jack Lynch Tunnel and the M50 and the M8.
The road to a few gaffs down a side road doesn't. The fewer gaffs per Km the more expensive it is per capita. That's all.
OK - they are for electricity at least:I don't know.
4. Electricity supply region
Your electricity supply region can be either ‘rural’ or ‘urban’. When switching electricity supplier we need to know your supply region so we can give you the most accurate comparison results. This is because rural standing charges are higher than urban standing charges due to the additional costs of maintaining supply to rural customers.
Thank you, that's the point I was making. That's all.Obviously there are economies of scale in larger settlements
They are getting subsidised all the time by our high electricity prices. The wind farms are getting paid top dollar for power they generate at 3am in the morning through the feed in tariffs whereby they still get paid even if the power is no good to the grid and is essentially dumped. They also don't bare the cost of switching on the generators and gas turbines when the wind is not blowing at peak electric demand nor the cost of maintaining all those generators. That is all borne by you and me through the highest electric prices in Europe.Again, they mustn't be that sophisticated if they are stupid enough to think that. Console yourself with the fact that the grants given to the power companies to put up the wind farms come from taxes generated in urban areas.
They are.I don't know.
Yep, @ClubMan posted the details. Does the higher charge reflect the full extent of the higher cost?They are.
They are getting subsidised all the time by our high electricity prices. The wind farms are getting paid top dollar for power they generate at 3am in the morning through the feed in tariffs whereby they still get paid even if the power is no good to the grid and is essentially dumped. They also don't bare the cost of switching on the generators and gas turbines when the wind is not blowing at peak electric demand nor the cost of maintaining all those generators. That is all borne by you and me through the highest electric prices in Europe.
And I forgot Eamon Ryan has decreed that we don't need to bring our oil and gas reserves to market and has refused a drilling licence for same. We will just pay the Saudis and Norwegians and even the British for theirs
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