Investments not performing well - need advice.

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Invested in a number of funds in 2007
zurich life--Balanced fund, 5star europe fund, high dividend equity fund
New Ireland--Triology S9. InnovatorS9, Evergreen S9
Irish Life property Portfolio

Roll on to 2014
Money now in Zurich life balanced fund 50% Zurich India equity fund 5%
New Ireland European equity fund 30%
New Ireland ftse 100 fund 15%
Cashed out of Property fund loosing 50% of 100k invested and bought land directly myself

To cut a long story short invested since September 2007 under the advise of very well known financial adviser. Over 7yrs later down 20% on what I considered to be a diversafied portfolio.
The new Ireland funds are still down about 25% on the amount I invested so I think I should stay put.
Up around 18% after tax on Zurich investment.

Want to stay invested now aged 52.
Should I invest directly in shares?
Should I stay where I am?
200k in DC pension
I own my own house no outstanding loan. Have a RIP worth 190k with a tracker of 160k with 12yrs left to pay. It pays for itself.
Wife in civil service 6yrs to retirement. No loans.
Just feel my investments are going no where.

All feedback welcome.
 
DCD said:
Invested in a number of funds in 2007
zurich life--Balanced fund, 5star europe fund, high dividend equity fund
New Ireland--Triology S9. InnovatorS9, Evergreen S9
Irish Life property Portfolio

Roll on to 2014
Money now in Zurich life balanced fund 50% Zurich India equity fund 5%
New Ireland European equity fund 30%
New Ireland ftse 100 fund 15%
Cashed out of Property fund loosing 50% of 100k invested and bought land directly myself
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You went very heavy into property at the height of the market. It fell 50% not long after you invested and hasn't fully recovered. And to compound your losses, the property element of the Trilogy fund was geared too. The bond part of that fund fell apart as well with Bloxham suing one of the big investment banks on the bonds they were sold.

You weren't that diversified either. There would have been a lot of duplication between all the equity funds bar Innovator which are small cap. The High dividend fund and the equity portion of the Trilogy fund bought dividend paying stocks. The other funds would have bought similar equities too.

You need to look at what you want the money to do for you and come up with a strategy to do it. What return do you need to achieve your goals? Is that return achievable? Is it within your comfort zone?

Looking at your new investment mix, you have continued to have a high equity content strategy. Are you prepared to take the ups and downs of equity investment? If the crash of 2008 happened again, with that portfolio, you would lose -37.82%. Can you afford for that to happen to you?

Then you have to look at the charges. How much are you paying as an annual management charge? 1% - 1.5% probably.


Steven
http://www.bluewaterfp.ie (www.bluewaterfp.ie)
 
SBarrett said:
You went very heavy into property at the height of the market. It fell 50% not long after you invested and hasn't fully recovered. And to compound your losses, the property element of the Trilogy fund was geared too. The bond part of that fund fell + high equity content strategy. Are you prepared to take the ups and downs of equity investment? If the crash of 2008 happened again, with that portfolio, you would lose -37.82%. Can you afford for that to happen to you?
Steven
http://www.bluewaterfp.ie (www.bluewaterfp.ie)
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At least there is some explanation for a worrying post!
Property, Equity and Bond investments tanked..................not much else left except Cash on low interest rates with high DIRT and PRSI.
 
monagt said:
At least there is some explanation for a worrying post!
Property, Equity and Bond investments tanked..................not much else left except Cash on low interest rates with high DIRT and PRSI.
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Going heavy into property and some of it with gearing is the reason the OP is still underwater. If he was in equities and bonds, he would have more than made his money back after the crash.

Pre 07/08, property values had never fallen in Ireland and it was promoted as a medium risk investment. We have all seen the reality now and it belongs in the same risk category as equities, except it is much less liquid.

Steven
http://www.bluewaterfp.ie (www.bluewaterfp.ie)
 
[New poster here. Thanks for the replies. Back in 2007 I went to a number of financial advisers regarding the investment of my money. Without getting into names as it was up to me ultimately where I put my money. The advisers I went to more or less advised me of the allocation I went for.
After the money I have lost [I earn the average industrial wage my wife earns about the same] I have learned the hard way regarding risk/reward
Nobody forced me to invest I just thought that the advisers I attended knew more than I did. Nobody knows where markets are going in the future.
Regarding going forward my goals are simple to keep investing and to try to acheive a couple of % north of inflation.
Zurich life I pay 1% charge
New Ireland 1% [Also get a few units added to funds as part of deal neg. at time] Below a little more detail in order to get accurate feedback.

Current situation 210k Zurich life [95%balanced 5% india equity[
160k new ireland [65% european equity 35%ftse 100]
20k [myself ryainair,CRH, smurfit Kappa]
100k in cash Nationwide UK etc
RIP woth 190k owe 160k tracker covering itslf 12 yrs left to pay
200k in pension DC
own home worth 350k
own land/sites worth 140k
I still think I am diversafied but making little on my investments.
Ultimate goal to be able to sit on my This post will be deleted if not edited to remove bad language in 8rs time age 60.
Wife retires in 6yrs on half wages civil service pension.

Thanks





[i QUOTE="SBarrett, post: 1415543, member: 81384"]Going heavy into property and some of it with gearing is the reason the OP is still underwater. If he was in equities and bonds, he would have more than made his money back after the crash.

Pre 07/08, property values had never fallen in Ireland and it was promoted as a medium risk investment. We have all seen the reality now and it belongs in the same risk category as equities, except it is much less liquid.

Steven
http://www.bluewaterfp.ie (www.bluewaterfp.ie)[/QUOTE]

SBarrett said:
You went very heavy into property at the height of the market. It fell 50% not long after you invested and hasn't fully recovered. And to compound your losses, the property element of the Trilogy fund was geared too. The bond part of that fund fell apart as well with Bloxham suing one of the big investment banks on the bonds they were sold.

You weren't that diversified either. There would have been a lot of duplication between all the equity funds bar Innovator which are small cap. The High dividend fund and the equity portion of the Trilogy fund bought dividend paying stocks. The other funds would have bought similar equities too.

You need to look at what you want the money to do for you and come up with a strategy to do it. What return do you need to achieve your goals? Is that return achievable? Is it within your comfort zone?

Looking at your new investment mix, you have continued to have a high equity content strategy. Are you prepared to take the ups and downs of equity investment? If the crash of 2008 happened again, with that portfolio, you would lose -37.82%. Can you afford for that to happen to you?

Then you have to look at the charges. How much are you paying as an annual management charge? 1% - 1.5% probably.


Steven
http://www.bluewaterfp.ie (www.bluewaterfp.ie)
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Take a bow son that you didn't lose a lot more. Many very wealthy people lost everything through investing.
 
SBarrett said:
Looking at your new investment mix, you have continued to have a high equity content strategy. Are you prepared to take the ups and downs of equity investment? If the crash of 2008 happened again, with that portfolio, you would lose -37.82%. Can you afford for that to happen to you?
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Gee, given that stocks recovered quicker than property in the last recession, just as the have done in the past, that is some generalisation.
 
Any feedback or comment from experienced investors on my portfolio been diversified enough? Do members feel I am on the right track?
At this point in time I am beginning to lean towards Brendans opinion regarding equity investment. Buy direct and hold long term.
 
Hi DCD

The key issue here is that you have to pay tax on the funds which make a profit, but you get no relief for the funds which have made losses. So your overall funds may well be down, but you end up paying exit taxes.

So, you should keep the funds which are less than the entry cost until they recover back to the entry cost. Any increase from now to the entry cost, will effectively be tax free.

After that, I think you should be invested directly in a diversified portfolio of equities. You have enough property at this stage.
 
Brendan Burgess said:
After that, I think you should be invested directly in a diversified portfolio of equities. You have enough property at this stage.
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Quick question Brendan, if you don't want to answer, its OK.

What's your opinion on the most economical way to buy equities in Ireland (Irish Broker or UK Broker or US or EU , and which ones?)
 
Brendan Burgess said:
Hi DCD

The key issue here is that you have to pay tax on the funds which make a profit, but you get no relief for the funds which have made losses. So your overall funds may well be down, but you end up paying exit ta

So, you should keep the funds which are less than the entry cost until they recover back to the entry cost. Any increase from now to the entry cost, will effectively be tax free.

After that, I think you should be invested directly in a diversified portfolio of equities. You have enough property at this stage.
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I am certainly leaning in that direction Brendan. When I take a look at the tax I have to pay on profits made with Zurich life my blood boils. Especially when looses on other funds cannot be off-set. Buying into Unit linked funds is just making others rich, paying expensive management charges while still taking the same risk as buying directly myself.
Will most probably cost average for my own sanity over the next while. Thanks Brendan.
 
monagt said:
Normally used as a "sweeping generalisation", for example, A statement which speaks in general terms without any reservation, so that it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. :) :)
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Thank you all knowing Monagt ;) Now, can you tell me what part of my post was Jim claiming to be a generalisation?
 
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