Dream on Complainer, that poll was flawed and surely you know it is nothing but a pipe dream that Labour could even come close to being the largest party!
Nonsense, Labour are still and will remain the 3rd party for the foreseeable future. You don't go from 21 seats to 60+ seats just because you have a popular leader! You're completely blinkered by meaningless polls Complainer.
But items like water charges, property taxes etc are substantive issues in the area of taxation policy.
I enjoy all the fire and brimstonen that comes out of Labour everytime a difficult decision is made but I expect more substantive policy from the the most popular party in the Country.
I can't agree with your analysis of Honahan's report. Labour was against ANY Guarantee. Honahan said an extensive guarantee was necessary but there were flaws. What was Labour's alternative suggestion?
I am all for free third level education but how do Labour intend to pay for it. I don't see how any party can rule out any sort of money saving idea in the current climate. Trying to pretend that tough decisions can be avoided is populist politics. I can't remember any policy that Labour announced that ran the chance of alienating any section of the voting public. At least FG came out with pay freeze for public sector workers whether they were right or wrong.
I will give you the Universal Health Insurance Idea! Interesting idea but I haven't heard too much detail from either FG or Labour.
Complainer either you are being mischievous with your argument or you simply don't do maths very well! +8% on 21 seats would return you 22, possibly 23 seats at the next general election - in order for Labour to be contenders for largest party as you seem to suggest they are capable of doing I think you would need in the order of 200% rise in support! Would you care to outline exactly how you think Labour would achieve 40 extra seats at the next general election?Both of the main polls MRBI and Red C showed +8% rise in support for Labour in their most recent outings. These are serious findings. Ignore them at your peril.
Would you care to outline exactly how you think Labour would achieve 40 extra seats at the next general election?
Restoring the PS pay cuts
Complainer either you are being mischievous with your argument or you simply don't do maths very well! +8% on 21 seats would return you 22, possibly 23 seats at the next general election - in order for Labour to be contenders for largest party as you seem to suggest they are capable of doing I think you would need in the order of 200% rise in support! Would you care to outline exactly how you think Labour would achieve 40 extra seats at the next general election?
That is indeed a possible scenario, similar to the result that I linked above. That will lead to some interesting horse trading in the short-term, and to the extinction of FF in the long term.Labour got 33 seats in 1992 with 19% of the vote. I don't see them become the biggest party next time out but if they polled in the mid 20's they might get around 40 seats.
What might happen in next election is 3 mid-size parties of 40-50 seats.
I think the past week will come back to haunt FG.
Thanks for the clarification. Again, don't make simple assumptions about Labour's strength. Labour has very solid councillors in place around much of the country, Galway, Limerick, Tipp, etc and has also been successfully at pulling in independents like Jerry Crowley and Kelly in Roscommon. They will all add up.Complainer, I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to csirl who said earlier that FF might offer Gilmore the Taoiseach's job.
By the way, all this talk of Labour becoming the largest or even the second largest party in the country based on opinion poll results is just plain silly. Labour do not have the party structure particularly outside of Dublin to win enough seats to challenge FF or FG.
Complainer, I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to csirl who said earlier that FF might offer Gilmore the Taoiseach's job.
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Once Ireland moves on from Civil War politics to a traditional right-left divide (or centre-right to centre-left) divide like the rest of Europe, FF are history. They have nothing to offer their followers once they lose power.Now I know you're not being serious. The extinction of FF????
Once Ireland moves on from Civil War politics to a traditional right-left divide (or centre-right to centre-left) divide like the rest of Europe, FF are history. They have nothing to offer their followers once they lose power.
Once Ireland moves on from Civil War politics to a traditional right-left divide (or centre-right to centre-left) divide like the rest of Europe, FF are history. They have nothing to offer their followers once they lose power.
Yes and no, there is a lesson there, but the first-past-the-post system will always give dramatically different outcomes than our singlej-transferable-vote system. If the UK had an STV system, the LibDems would be in a very different situation now.Labour's lesson is across the water with the Lib Dems, strong polls, not a great election result (based on expectation).
Once Ireland moves on from Civil War politics to a traditional right-left divide (or centre-right to centre-left) divide like the rest of Europe, FF are history. They have nothing to offer their followers once they lose power.
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