ZEGAR said:Why is a church weeding important to people that never attaend church ??
Just wondering as I know a number of people in the middle of arranging marriages and all want the church wedding yet not one of them attend church ???
ZEGAR said:Moderator note: split from this thread.
-- ClubMan
Why is a church weeding important to people that never attaend church ??
Just wondering as I know a number of people in the middle of arranging marriages and all want the church wedding yet not one of them attend church ???
icantbelieve said:Perhaps other people are like me and attendance in church isn't a measure of belief in God, I don't attend church but do consider my belief in God important to me.
icantbelieve said:As my children grow up I do intend to bring them to church so that they can make their own minds up about their faith....
casiopea said:.......I got my swiss equivalent of the P60 recently, I paid last year 516chf in church taxes (332 euro) in 2005, when I was living in Dublin while I paid money towards the church (sunday collection baskets etc) Im sure my contribution was far less than 330 euro and was entirely voluntary. .....
Looks like it is possible.olddog said:It used to be possible to opt out of the Swiss god tax ( and I would expect that it still is possible )
You mean casiopea specifically or anybody in general? If it's the latter then I personally certainly would opt out of such a tax.but would you want to ?
I always love the "if you're in the club then you should stick by the rules" mantra
a) why, I know you're against blind faith but now just ordinary faith as well
b) what are the "rules" and who decides what they are
I presume you're referring to my earlier comments? I'm glad you enjoyed the comment. Thanks.icantbelieve said:I always love the "if you're in the club then you should stick by the rules" mantra
I don't really like or understand the suspension of critical faculties and logic and blind acceptance that all religions require of adherents. I respect the individual's right to believe in whatever they choose (as long as no non consenting other is harmed by this or the expression of those beliefs) but I don't necessarily respect the beliefs themselves (which is my prerogative wouldn't you agree?).a) why, I know you're against blind faith but now just ordinary faith as well
Whatever religious organisation to which people claim to belong to obviously. In the context of Catholicism, for example, aren't adherents supposed to accept Papal infallibility?b) what are the "rules" and who decides what they are
Supposing that would be anathema to me - sorry. But maybe you could consider the fact that a Catholic believer is atheistic when it comes to all other Gods that humans have believed in over the years that we are on this planet. As the saying goes, some people just go one God further.Despite your lack of belief in deities suppose for a moment that one or more does exist do you think they are so unbending.
Actually Limbo is still an official Catholic doctrine even if many so called adherents to that faith probably don't know that - or even what it is supposed to be in some cases. Ask a few average Catholics what transubstantiation is all about and I'll bet that you'll get some blank stares.I mean the "rules" until recently included the existence of limbo "for unbaptised children who don't go to hell but don't get to see God".
I consider God made up but there you go.It's this kind of crap that keeps me away from the official representatives who make it up as they go along. In fact given that a lot of the stuff I disagree with has been made up maybe I am sticking to the "rules" and its the officials who have gone off on their own.
I wouldn't. They (well she anyway) is being hypocritical (a sin as far as I recall) in requesting the sacrament of marriage when she doesn't practice (or believe from what I know). But that's just my opinion and they're obviously free to do what they like.As an aside I agree with you on the priest being entitled to ask about your relations regligious practice but I'd have a problem if he decided to bar them because he felt they didn't meet the required level.
I think you have this bit wrong, no one has 'less of a welcome'. When This post will be deleted if not edited immediately died on the cross, he guaranteed the same welcome for everyone. The rejoicing comes from the fact that someone did eventually decide to join in. I could be wrong about this though!Another beaut by the way which means that you can play by the "rules" all your life and you'll have less of a welcome than someone who decides late in the day to join in.
Did you read the rest of my post, where I stated that such 'facts' could very well be flawed?if you don't agree with the supposedly fool proof scientific "facts"
If anybody doubts it then see .umop3p!sdn said:For example, how many people have conducted an experiment to prove to themselves that the Earth isn't flat? - Most people will take the word of others.
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