offer 14 to 15k. I suspect they will initially refuse, so politely walk away but leave your tel number. If they are about to close out the month and need to shift more inventory and are hungry for cash, they may call you back. Be prepared to sit and wait it out. In the meantime, search for other similar models and print out the pages from carzone or cbg and don't be afraid to show them to the dealer. Let the dealer know that you are doing your research, so you cannot be fooled.