Steven Barrett
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It's shocking they didn't sell in 2016 when they could have.
Payment. (https://www.ablebits.com/office-addins-blog/excel-pmt-function-formula-examples/)I love excel, what's the pmt function?
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Don't be surprised if you hear me say that on a radio programme some day. It's a great line.
Brendan
Ah yes, the sunk cost fallacy.When it comes to property in Ireland, people are willing to hold onto bad investments, even though it means years of fighting with banks and vulture funds, impact on their health, family life and relationships.
I think the problem in this case was that they went interest only for a very considerable period - thus they are repaying both the capital and the interest.It's both bad investment and the failure to understand compound interest.
I have seen this time and time again. "I borrowed €300k 20 years ago. I have repaid €200k but I still owe €200k!"
Brendan
This seems to be contradictory. Interest only means no (scheduled) capital repayments during the lifetime of the loan.I think the problem in this case was that they went interest only for a very considerable period - thus they are repaying both the capital and the interest.
Well said.End of the day they would have been FAR better off simply investing in a normal pension.
This is why consulting a proper financial advisor rather than trusting luck with your money for retirement is always a good plan.
Its not - it means that they still have both capital and interest repayments liable, even if they only have to pay interest only during the term of the loan - it still means at some point the lender can call in the capital element, which is exactly what the lender did in this case.This seems to be contradictory. Interest only means no (scheduled) capital repayments during the lifetime of the loan.
That's not what you said here:Its not - it means that they still have both capital and interest repayments liable, even if they only have to pay interest only during the term of the loan - it still means at some point the lender can call in the capital element, which is exactly what the lender did in this case.
You don't pay capital on interest only.thus they are repaying both the capital and the interest.
They had too once the loan is called in. If you borrow 300k to buy a home and pay interest only, the capital element STILL has to be repaid at some rate - so for example a 25 year mortgage with a 25 year interest only term will have 300k capital to repay at the end, or if there is a 15 year interest only term followed by a 10 year interest and capital period, its 1125 a month at a rate of around 4% for 15 years followed by 3109 a month for the last 10 years.That's not what you said here:
You don't pay capital on interest only.
Except what did they actually invest here ? I suspect the 900k they did manage to pay over the years consisted of rental income.End of the day they would have been FAR better off simply investing in a normal pension.
This is why consulting a proper financial advisor rather than trusting luck with your money for retirement is always a good plan.
These were extremely popular and easy to get, much encouraged on here.It costs more because the repayments for the interest only period don't pay anything off the capital, meaning the cumulative interest ends up being much higher. That's why interest only has been so devastating for BTL buyers from the early 00s in this country, where people bought in the expectation of short term capital appreciation, assuming that would both clear off the loan liability AND leave them with sufficient profit to clear any other costs.
Central Bank did a whole paper on this circa 2013 or so. Showed a huge amount of BT loans were taken out around 2004 or so that were maturing from around 2007 to as late as 2015 or so. But there was a large bump switching to capital and interest after initial interest only terms specifically between 2011 and 2015. Which perhaps provides some explanation why rent appreciation was so high from 2012 to 2015.These were extremely popular and easy to get, much encouraged on here.
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