They changed it to climate change a few years back when the warming bit stopped.
Aha! Yes, well spotted.
The fact is these Green Genie geniuses are pushing us in a direction I'm not sure I want to be pushed into.
oNQ.
+1, the ClimateGate scandal prior to the Copenhagen summit IMO dented the viewpoint of global warming peddlars. If global warming is such a "slam-dunk" then why aren't all the scientists involved in agreement ?
And as an average, some years will be warmer, some colder, it doesn't mean that the average temperatures aren't increasing (they are).
Latrade,
There is a lot in what you say.
Unfortunately there are some hard facts that deny your comments.
The first is obvious.
It is undeniably true that it gets colder in winter.
This is not a normally cold winter - it is a 50year return winter.
The second is that consensus doesn't imply correct reasoning.
For years the medical and pharmaceutical professions made millions out of ulcer sufferers before Dr Barry J. Marshall and Dr J. Robin Warren of Perth, Western Australia discovered the H. Pylori bacterium.
Prior to that the consensus of conventional "wisdom" amongst scientists and medical practitioners was that bacteria couldn't live in the stomach because of the acid there.
So much for the consensus of conventional scientific wisdom.
In relation to Global warming there is scientific evidence to the contrary as well:
I have no problem OTOH with the aim of reducing our dependancy on fossil fuels - if that is what they are.
Have you ever heard of a fossil being discovered in any of the billions of barrels of crude that have been extracted from the ground?
Even one?
I'm not talking about the Mastodons that were preserved in Tar Pits that were already there, btw.
Yes, we see fossils from coal, but not a single thing found floating in an oil reservoir.
Maybe its all lying at the bottom for us to discover. .
But to achieve even passive house standards by 2013 will be impossible for the Irish Building industry as a whole.
There simply isn't enough building going on to dessiminate the necessary skills, products and information.
There have been no white papers that I am aware of in relation to the long-term health and financial effects of air conditioning houses and reliance on heat pumps, solar panel pumps and turbine generators.
Assuming the full set costs €15,000 at today's prices and include the fact they'll need renewing every 15 years average, that works out to be an additional €1,000 a year on the heating bills.
Plus you're investing in high-embedded-energy components for all these systems.
Add to that our supposedly increased health due to living in warm houses, but take away health due to respiratory problems due to air conditioning and "softening us up" due to constant warm environments and we could all end up with permanent colds every time we go outside in 10 degrees centrigrade or less.
What's the overall price for sustainability then?
FWIW
ONQ.
Do you have a source for that , I understood that temperatures have been static of the last 10 years.
Do you have a source for that , I understood that tempatures have been static of the last 10 years.
Temperatures have actually decreased, the polar bear population has increased despite climatologists stating that they were endanger of becoming extinct due to global warming and there are more glaciers in the ocean today than there was 15 years ago.
If the temperature gets cold, climatologists call it a "weather", If the temperature gets warm it's called climate change.
actually, global warming for Ireland will mean a new Ice Age, because the Golf Stream will disappear ...
i'm just deeply allergic to the words "arctic" temperatures - what's outside i'd call a normal winter day elswhere in continental Europe it's just really unusual for Ireland ..
This is it.
Does anyone dispute that the polar caps are melting/receeding and at an increased rate? I think this has been accepted as fact - no?
That being the case, the result for Ireland will indeed eventually be much colder winters. As Haminka says, it is the gulf stream that moderates Ireland's climate.
A common barstool 'theory' is that melting ice caps will lead to a dramatic rise in water levels. The much more likely outcome is that the dilution of the Atlantic sea water caused by the introduction of millions of tonnes of fresh ice cap water will reduce the salt content sufficiently to disrupt or even stop the gulf stream. It has already been affected AFAIK.
Without the influence of the gulf stream we will have much longer winters and with temperatures similar to North Ontario: about -20C.
But sure they can survive and so will we.
This is it.
Does anyone dispute that the polar caps are melting/receeding and at an increased rate? I think this has been accepted as fact - no?
That being the case, the result for Ireland will indeed eventually be much colder winters. As Haminka says, it is the gulf stream that moderates Ireland's climate.
A common barstool 'theory' is that melting ice caps will lead to a dramatic rise in water levels. The much more likely outcome is that the dilution of the Atlantic sea water caused by the introduction of millions of tonnes of fresh ice cap water will reduce the salt content sufficiently to disrupt or even stop the gulf stream. It has already been affected AFAIK.
Without the influence of the gulf stream we will have much longer winters and with temperatures similar to North Ontario: about -20C.
But sure they can survive and so will we.
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