Everyone's to blame so no-one's to blame?You'll have to look a bit deeper. Most of them went to An Bord Pleanala - so maybe you should be sacking the Govt appointed members of ABP?
That's a bit of a big jump there. How did you get from my identifying a specific group of 12 people to 'no-one's to blame'?Everyone's to blame so no-one's to blame?
Councillors have no role in planning applications.Each LA has a Planning Dept but they're not to blame as the Councillors made the ultimate decisions, but they're not to blame as An Bord Pleanala oversaw many of the decisions. But they're not to blame as it was all Lehman's fault.
Councillors have no role in planning applications.
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What if it costs more to demolish & revert back to the land, than the land is worth as agricultural land?Others should be bulldozed, especially if there is no realistic prospect of the houses/appartments ever being sold. Once bulldozed, the land should be rezoned back to agricultural and sold. At least we'd get some money back.
What if it costs more to demolish & revert back to the land, than the land is worth as agricultural land?
- Give houses for free to people who bought into estates that are riddled with pyrite and knock the Pyrite estates. These are the people who I feel were dealt the worst hand in the property boom/bust, seems ridiculous that they are living in houses that are falling down while fine houses are empty.
- Offer a '2 for the price of one' deal to people who have already bought a house in these estates - they could take over the second house in a semi and knock them together.
Yes indeed, It wouldn't be simple, but there is a market clearing price for everything. You paint the ideal situation with someone coming in and buying up an entire unfinished estate, completing it to a sellable standard and then selling it on. At the end of the day, anything is better than letting them sit idle or knocking them down.
But someone with the resources and willingness to take on the risk of buying up these houses would be doing every other potential buyer a favour. If they take on the risk, and are able to finish off the houses and then sell them on to someone who was not in the position to take on the risk, then that latter person will be better off than if nobody had taken on the risk.
I wonder if there would be a way to do this on a non-profit basis by housing associations or maybe even local authorities? You need a large buyer to take on the risk of buying 20 or 50 units, and then selling or renting them one by one.
Many of these estates in longford and leitrim etc only had a market at the top of the celtic tiger boom and will never be desirable. these estates should be consolidated. In other words decide which ones have the best potential and allow people to locate to these ones. People should be moved out of the least desirable ones and given a choice of other ones to locate to. By doing this you would at least be fully occupying estates which would make them desirable. However widespread demolition has to be part of the solution, in other words fully demolitioning estates and ripping up the roads and foundations. These should not be used for social housing because you will end up with hundreds of ghettos like moyross all over the country. The country has to face up to its folly and confront it. By demoliting estates housing stock would be removed from the market and it would start the property market moving again
Clearly we don't though. But Ireland isn't unique in this regard. Look at the US where Obama is fairing badly. Most people say he can only win a second term if he sorts out the economy. This is how Clinton won his second term.At the end of the day, I believe we live in a society first and an economy second.
I'd like to believe we live in a society first, but I see no evidence of it.
The economy and society are part of the same thing. The living standards of the people are determined by economic activity. The state engages in a level of social engineering by taxing and re-distributing some of the peoples wealth and paying for infrastructure and services. Everyone agrees that this is desirable, the disagreement is about what level of wealth redistribution is desirable. Therefore society is dependent on the economy and vice-versa.
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