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Why not try and keep to the core of the debate?
Why not try and keep to the core of the debate?Ok, a simple question for those with this opinion.
If the ideal family is Mother, Father and children, what is the order of importance if this is not available/breaks down etc?
Is a single mother better or worse than 2 lesbian parents? And better or worse than 2 gay parents?
Is a single father better or worse than 2 lesbian/gay parents?
Is a single mother on welfare better than 2 rich gay parents? etc etc
I'd like to know what the order of preference is?
How on earth do you know?
"A gay man won't have a child with another man no matter how hard he tries"
Yet. Apparently the cloning process is nearly complete for humans, who knows how long it will be before men can in fact have children? Or perhaps next will be ectogenisis?
Whatever way people have children, accidentally, on purpose, via IVF, surrogacy, adoption, why does the sexuality of the parent have any bearing whatsoever on what kind of parent they would make? There are plenty of heterosexual married couples that make for terrible parents, they haven't got any qualifications purely because they can easily produce a child.
Its nothing more than narrow minded prejudice against gay people, hiding behind concern for possible children.
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...Pique tried to crudely put a slant that if people are not liberal enough to accept gay marriage and adoption then they are basically homphobe cavemen.
OK, just to throw a spanner in the works.
Jack & Jill get married and have children.
Jill gets killed in a freak accident leaving Jack to raise the babies.
Jack subsequently realises that he has feelings for a gay man (let's call him Tom).
One thing leads to another and they enter a relationship and Tom moves into Jacks house.
Is this scenario acceptable to the posters who are against gay adoption?
If not, why not, and who should raise the children and why ?
If that isn't a definition of Prejudice, I don't know what is.
Hhmmm, let me see. 2 parents or one....yup, I'll take 2 ! Any 2, as long as they love me and aren't bad parents. Gender, race, religion matters not a jot.Still no answer to the above question. To those who advocate homosexual/lesbian adoptive parents, why the silence?
It's far from irrelevant. It's discrimination based on sexual orientation versus that based on race. One is OK, the other is not ?Somebody is playing the colour card. Why bring it up - it is irrelevant to this discussion. Why muddy the water.
Don't worry, the air is nice and fresh up hereAnd to the PC/moral high ground brigade - watch out for vertigo
whether they were a one-legged circus clown!
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
Remember folks, no-one is prejudiced against homosexuals here, they just think gay/lesbian couples have to abide by different rules because they're homosexuals, and not because of the 'content of their character'.
If that isn't a definition of Prejudice, I don't know what is.
The question was,Its a spanner in the works for poor Jack alright because he lost his wife, but he is the childrens father and has a legal and moral right to raise those kids. If he enters into a gay relationship then the consuqeuences (plus or minus) will have to be considered by him alone.
Is this scenario acceptable to the posters who are against gay adoption?
If not, why not, and who should raise the children and why ?
And so say all of us. Well, possibly, er, some of us.Nice spin. I believe that a family unit consists of mum dad and kids, I don't see dad, dad and kids being acceptable. My view may not be socially acceptable but its my view. I don't need an interpreter for my posts, I try to keep it plain and simple.
And so say all of us. Well, possibly, er, some of us.
But Hitler himself was a devout Christian...
So your point is ?
If all anyone can say against homosexuals adopting is that;
a. The kids may get bullied about it (lamest excuse ever...sure leave them in an orphanage then, they'll be better off)
b. A 'Family' is Mammy & Daddy and kiddies...that's the way it's always been;
then the argument is lost.
It reminds me of the old story about monkeys in a cage
OK, just to throw a spanner in the works.
Jack & Jill get married and have children.
Jill gets killed in a freak accident leaving Jack to raise the babies.
Jack subsequently realises that he has feelings for a gay man (let's call him Tom).
One thing leads to another and they enter a relationship and Tom moves into Jacks house.
Is this scenario acceptable to the posters who are against gay adoption?
If not, why not, and who should raise the children and why ?
Ok, a simple question for those with this opinion.
If the ideal family is Mother, Father and children, what is the order of importance if this is not available/breaks down etc?
Is a single mother better or worse than 2 lesbian parents? And better or worse than 2 gay parents?
Is a single father better or worse than 2 lesbian/gay parents?
Is a single mother on welfare better than 2 rich gay parents? etc etc
I'd like to know what the order of preference is?
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
Remember folks, no-one is prejudiced against homosexuals here, they just think gay/lesbian couples have to abide by different rules because they're homosexuals, and not because of the 'content of their character'.
If that isn't a definition of Prejudice, I don't know what is.
Cappucino and bikkies anyone? OK! Follow me to the kitchen
Not all opinions are equal, "its my opinion" does not mean that is as valid an opinion as the next persons.
If your opinion seeks to restrict the freedom of others to live their lives, you need to be able to robustly defend that opinion. Just because some prejudices and intolerances are still more socially acceptable than others does not make them not prejudices.
yes, some!
Edit : Just realised I'm post #100, didn't think it'd be this busy at all!
Shuddup you
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