Very good point. Landlords should not be able to compel tenants to use those very expensive providers.
Very good point. Landlords should not be able to compel tenants to use those very expensive providers.One thing that I havent seen mentioned is how some of the households most at risk of poverty due to rising fuel costs are people being forced to use pre-pay energy and paying above the cost of billpay, i hear stories of people topping up meters and they are distraught at how much it has increased.
The increase in the cost of petrol/gas could crush the finances of some households. A few years back, i had no option but to drive 600km per week to get to/from work. Any additional increase at that time would have been catastrophic to my household.
Landlords don't and can't compel tenants on which provider to use. Tenants choose the prepay model so they can monitor and manage their usage.Very good point. Landlords should not be able to compel tenants to use those very expensive providers.
When my son was renting he was forced to use a pre-pay system.Landlords don't and can't compel tenants on which provider to use. Tenants choose the prepay model so they can monitor and manage their usage.
Yes, people can choose to reduce their domestic energy consumption much easier than they can reduce their cost of commuting to and from work. This is particularly the case in rural areas.You are correct @dubdub123, we must look at things in the round and not just the cost of domestic fuel.
Your son had the right to pay to remove the prepay meter with the landlords consent and get a credit account from the energy supplier.When my son was renting he was forced to use a pre-pay system.
I know that the essential staff at Intel are not working from home, yes some of the staff can work from home but who fixes the faults at 3am in the morning not the guy WFH 9 to 5. There is a huge staff in that plant that need to drive there every day for work .Wilful ignorance? Maybe read the post again. I said consider and promote alternatives first. How is that willfully ignorant?
And let's consider your first example. You may be ignorant to the fact that a large proportion of the staff of the Intel have been working from home for more than 2 years. And while that plant may not be in central Dublin it is well served by public transport.
Yes, that, in effect, is a compulsion. The Landlord has pre-installed the most expensive option and the tenant is forced to use it unless they incur significant a extra cost. That makes using luxury items (such as tumble dryersYour son had the right to pay to remove the prepay meter with the landlords consent and get a credit account from the energy supplier.
Someone on site.who fixes the faults at 3am in the morning not the guy WFH 9 to 5
I get that. Which is why I said alternatives should be considered first if possible.There is a huge staff in that plant that need to drive there every day for work .
Indeed. There's a few landlords that insist on pre-pay meters so they don't get hit by unpaid electricity bills.Yes, that, in effect, is a compulsion. The Landlord has pre-installed the most expensive option and the tenant is forced to use it unless they incur significant a extra cost. That makes using luxury items (such as tumble dryers) even more expensive.
Joe, Intel is a 24hr/7/365 operation and nothing is "left to chance " the staff covering 3am breakdowns are already on site from whenever their shift starts.I know that the essential staff at Intel are not working from home, yes some of the staff can work from home but who fixes the faults at 3am in the morning not the guy WFH 9 to 5. There is a huge staff in that plant that need to drive there every day for work .
I mean there is a wilfull ignorane in government organisations like the esri who were lucky enough to all avail of WFH. They are wilfully ignorant of the reality of the Irish economy and their latest suggestions were based on utopian ideas not reality. Luckily enough the government seems to also have dismissed their latest report
Not correct. There are many staff who work remotely who have the the ability to fix issues.Joe, Intel is a 24hr/7/365 operation and nothing is "left to chance " the staff covering 3am breakdowns are already on site from whenever their shift starts.
I know this because I know dozens who work there.
How can you pick up and use a tool remotely? Or open a door, mop a floor?Not correct. There are many staff who work remotely who have the the ability to fix issues.
Depending on the property I suspect either (a) a previous tenant had the meter installed or (b) the landlord felt he was responsible for a previous tenants unpaid energy bill.Yes, that, in effect, is a compulsion. The Landlord has pre-installed the most expensive option and the tenant is forced to use it unless they incur significant a extra cost. That makes using luxury items (such as tumble dryers) even more expensive.
You said the staff covering break downs were already on site. That is incorrect. It's a massively automated operation and there are support staff on site but also at home and overseas reacting to issues at all hours. That is a fact. Not all fixes require a mop or an on site presence.How can you pick up and use a tool remotely? Or open a door, mop a floor?
Probably, but the next tenant was still left with a more expensive option in situ.Depending on the property I suspect either (a) a previous tenant had the meter installed or (b) the landlord felt he was responsible for a previous tenants unpaid energy bill.
Either have I.I have never heard of any property built were a prepay meter was installed rather than a normal meter.
Yes, because that required a larger up-front cost for the tenant. In effect the cost of the landlords relationship with the previous tenant falls on the next tenant. That shouldn't be the case.If it was cost efficient your son could have paid for the prepaid meter removal and enjoyed lower cost energy.
It would appear he did not.
Another side argument gets legs...You said the staff covering break downs were already on site. That is incorrect. It's a massively automated operation and there are support staff on site but also at home and overseas reacting to issues at all hours. That is a fact. Not all fixes require a mop or an on site presence.
I'm afraid you don't know, Intel and many pharma plants are big industrial complexes ,many things can go wrong , chemical leaks ,pumps stopping, the guy on his laptop from Malaysia can make mistakes that have to be rectified immediately by guys on site at 3am.Someone on site.
Or else someone at home from their laptop.
Or else someone in Malaysia or in Arizona. And those folks from abroad don't commute to the site by car.
Yeah but removing the prepaid meter could have saved your son in the long term. Your son rented the property as it was.Probably, but the next tenant was still left with a more expensive option in situ.
Either have I.
Yes, because that required a larger up-front cost for the tenant. In effect the cost of the landlords relationship with the previous tenant falls on the next tenant. That shouldn't be the case.
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