First Time Buyer - Help/Advice?

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Hi All,
Firstly, I want to thank everyone for some of the priceless info in dealing with Auctioneers and first time buying etc, I’ve spent the last few days going through a number of these posts and there’s some brilliant and very useful info.

Apologies if most of these queries have been covered in previous threads, but I couldn’t find one with any up to date info on how people are finding the first time buyers market right now.

I’d like to ask some advice from you all concerning my own situation. Myself & my partner have been renting for the last number of years, and are now in the position to buy for the first time. We have mortgage approval, and have been viewing houses since November of last year. Two houses have come up in the market in the last few weeks, both of which we love. The first(and from reading a lot of the posts, it seems like we completely went about it the wrong way) house, we went in way too keen initially I think, in that it had only been on the market a few days, we viewed it and two days later offered the asking price. EA said he’d get back to us. A week later, he said another offer had come in of the asking price again(surely this should make no difference), but in our naivety and eagerness to get the house, we went another 5K up(I can hear a number of you already shouting “You did WHAT???!!”). Again, he said he’d get back to us, then came back that same afternoon with the news that the offer was now at 10k more than the asking price, so we bowed out.

The second house unfortunately is with the same EA. We viewed this house just a few days ago. He showed us round, but made absolutely no mention of the previous house we viewed, so neither did we. Both houses seem to have been priced low(even with prices the way they are) I think to get people interested. It definitely worked with us! But what we’re hearing from other EA’s is that they’re busy showing lots of people around houses, but nobody is buying. This EA is telling us something completely different! I find it hard to believe that the first house we looked at went up 10K over the asking price in the space of one week, and we’re now afraid to go in so eager with this next one. We are planning on waiting another 2 weeks before asking for a 2nd viewing, and then waiting again to see what the EA comes back with.

Whats most frustrating is that everyone we know who we’ve been talking to has a different opinion on what way to handle things. We have our budget, we know what we can afford. We also know what we want in a house, and the ones we’re looking at would have been unthinkable 4 or 5 years ago for people on our wages. But it’s the waiting. And waiting. And more waiting. This is the most important and expensive purchase of our lives, and from reading some of the excellent guides on this site, the whole negotiation nearly reads like the script of a play. The EA says this, so we have to say that, then they’ll do this, so you can do that and so on. At the moment, I don’t really know what to do, or what (if any) game the EA is playing. All I’m reading at the moment is how prices are constantly falling and there’s a dwindling pool of first time buyers, so I find it hard to believe that the EA’s would be playing the same games they apparently played during the boom. Again, maybe I’m being monumentally naïve in all of this as it’s our first time, but it’s getting to the stage where we’re getting that many different opinions from different people, we honestly don’t know what to think or what to do next!
Our first attempt at buying looks like it’s back fired, and now we’re faced with the same EA but a different house.

Your thoughts/suggestions would be most appreciated.
 
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My thoughts are what is the actual question. You've built up this big drama and there is no need.

The estate agent now has an idea of your budget and how far you will go.

At the end of the day, you have to decide that this house is the one, that you can easily afford it, that you're not out to make a quick buck on it and stress test yourself 3% on the interest rate and please don't get a 35 year mortgage and pay a decent deposit. How many times your income is the mortgage?
 
Hi Bronte
Thanks for your reply, and apologies that my first post was somewhat rambling and over the top. We're just unsure of what our next move should be regarding the second house. As you said, the EA now knows our budget so we're playing catch up straight away.

Our mortgage is for 135k roughly 2.5 times our combined yearly wage, and we have a decent enough deposit available. The second house is up for 130k but needs a fair bit of work done. We have another 20k available from family to cover this, but short of an engineers report we're not sure at all if this will cover whatever needs to be done. We would also like to think that this will be the only house we purchase, it's not an investment to sell on at a later stage.

The different opinions from family & friends over the last few weeks has made us question our initial plan, which was to go in at the asking price, as either house would be more than we had hoped for.

I understand this is not a big problem, compared with some of the posts on this forum, but I was hoping for some clarity on what our next move should be with house #2, as we appear to have blown our chance at house #1.
 
Can I ask why don't you offer about 90-95% of the asking price and see what happens?

The EA might come back and say someone has offered the asking price and in that case you should just say ok, well you have our offer, get back to us if there is any change.

You're basically calling his bluff, but it might work out for you.
 
How do you know the chance at house No. 1 has been missed?

From what I can make out by your initial post, there is a possibility the EA was playing ball to increase the offer. How can you be sure for certain there is another person making offers? Has the property gone Sale Agreed? Have a friend call the EA and request a viewing of the premises to see what the story is. They can always call back and cancel a few hours later.

I would sit pretty for a little while; you never know, you could get a call from the EA soon telling you the other person has backed out. If this is the case, go back to your first offer and stand firm.

It's a buyers market at the moment, and I think in your excitement and eagerness (totally normal btw) to have your own home, you are jumping the gun. Take your time!
 
..........as we appear to have blown our chance at house #1.

I would hazard a guess that the EA is just playing you. He is now hoping you will make an offer on house 2. And he will be able to play the same game as he did on house 1 except now he has a better idea of how hard he can push you.

If you dont make any offer at all on house 2, and just wait a few weeks, its likely that house 1 will still be sitting on the market at the same asking price and his other buyer has mysteriously disappeared.

Personally I have little time for these games, decide what you want to spend, make an offer - on either property. Tell the estate agent that the offer has a lifetime of 1 week until it expires - 1 week is plenty of time for him to go back to the owner and discuss. If he doesnt accept your offer in a week then move on.
 
Hi Horacesilver

I wouldn't get overly stressed about the EA knowing your budget. It just means that you need a bit of self-control and not necessarily bid up to your max.

I was bidding on a property in 2003 and when someone bid higher than I wanted to go I just said to the EA "I can go higher but not for that house - call me if you get anything else which might suit". No problem.

If you are interested in the second house make a bid of a little under what you are happy to pay for it and see how it goes.

Good luck