Fibber Magee's breaking the smoking ban

Live and Let Live

What would be wrong with having smoking pubs? If the owner/barman has no problem then leave people alone. Non smokers can go elsewhere.
 
Re: Live and Let Live

What would be wrong with having smoking pubs? If the owner/barman has no problem then leave people alone. Non smokers can go elsewhere.

There'd be lots wrong with it.

For a start, what about the other staff bar the owner working there? Do they have no rights?

Wouldn't existing pub owners just switch their business back to smoking pubs, thereby making the idea of non-smoking pubs non-existent bringing us back to the original problem?
 
Re: Live and Let Live

Populist phone in polls are not really a reliable indicator of general public opinion nor are they statistically sound (e.g. sample size may be limited and is self selecting etc.).
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Just to respond to that point - the number who took part in the 5-7 poll was just over the 22,000 mark - not an insignificant amount.

For a start, what about the other staff bar the owner working there? Do they have no rights?
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What if they are all smokers? What if a law was framed so that a publican could open a 10mtr or xmtr sq amount of enclosed space where smokers would serve other smokers beer? Then many pubs could not just change over to smoking. There are innovative ways around issues without the black and white 'ban it or allow it' viewpoint.
 
> Just to respond to that point - the number who took part in the 5-7 poll was just over the 22,000 mark - not an insignificant amount.

Yes - but it's a self selecting sample so it's still not statistically sound.
 
Re: Live and Let Live

What if they are all smokers?
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Isn't this measure also help to encourage people to reduce smoking as a positive effect as well as to protect the health of non-smokes? What incentive does a barperson have to quit if he or see has to be a smoker to wok in 'smoking area'.

Reducing smoking in society should in the long term help to improve society's health. Of course there are other health issues still to be tackled but doesn't mean we should ignore the health of the people.
 
Re: Re: Live and Let Live

Ever hear of personal responsibility? Or should the government take responsibility for us all?
 
Re: Live and Let Live

We still have the freedom to smoke and the personal freedom to quit or not. The government has not banned smoking.

There is a balance to be made. Banning smoking in the workplace is where I draw the line. All laws to some degree restrict freedom but hopefully for the common good. E.g. restrictions on speeding, compliance to pay taxes.

If personal responsbility works why do we have laws?
 
Re: Live and Let die

News at 6 said that this jerk in Galway has called off his pathetic protest. McDowell intimated on 57live that there may be objections to the renewal of his licience.
 
Pub closing

News also said the pub was closing for the forseeable future. Why is this I wonder? Surely some custom is better than none at all and, let's face it, that pub will be packed with curious punters after all the publicity it got
 
deep throat

Micky Martin said on TodayFM that he suspected that the Tobacco industry were trying to stir up some protest. Bit of a conspiracy theory but they have been known to be ruthless and it seems many other European countries are bringing in workplace smoking legislation so turnover must be falling dramatically.
 
Re: Fw

I'm not sure that the state should force a builder to wear a hardhat nor a driver to wear a seatbelt nor a biker to wear a helmet. Life is full or risks but individuals should be able to decide which ricks to take and which to avoid.
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And presumably you are quite happy to pay taxes to cover the healthcare of those people who chose to take a few risks? And to pay for the 24x7x365 nursing care for the biker who smashed his skull in the bike accident?
 
Re: Fw

So it is to save money that we implement these laws?
 
Re: Fw

And presumably you are quite happy to pay taxes to cover the healthcare of those people who chose to take a few risks? And to pay for the 24x7x365 nursing care for the biker who smashed his skull in the bike accident?
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Must everything be costed? In that case should we simply terminate old or sick people because it might cost money to look after them? Surely there's more to life than being a bean counter. You might know the cost of everything but can you put a value on personal freedom?
 
indeed

Almost as moving as William Wallace speech in Braveheart.

The Smoking Ban - A Cause to die for !!

When will we see the first smoking ban martyr ?

Let them all smoke outside, get pneumonia and then give up in hospital.
 
Re: indeed

But if they get pneumonia and then go to hospital it'll cost the taxpayer.
Better watch those fatties out there too. They might cost us money in healthcare in the future.
 
Re: indeed

Better watch those fatties out there too. They might cost us money in healthcare in the future.

Actually shnaek, you're quite right. Obesity is going to become more and more of a problem for us in Ireland and more of a strain on our healthcare and a problem for the health of Irish people in general.
 
Re: indeed

You're sidestepping the financial question, which is a very real issue. Personal choice is fine when it doesn't impinge on others, either financially or socially. I can't see any value on 'personal choice' which leaves the rest of society to pick up the damage. I can't understand why anyone could hail the importance of 'personal choice' under common sense matters like wearing of seat-belts given [broken link removed].
 
smoking ban

Fair dues to the govt for introducing the ban on smoking in the workplace. It is great. Any bars are complaining about a downturn in business should lower their prices a bit.
 
Reply to Willy

"When will we see the first smoking ban martyr ?"

Dunno, but there's definately a few pregnancies. Non smokers are going outside for the "chat"!
 
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The solution to rainyday's health care problem is pretty simple. Give people the choice to opt out of the welfare state.
 
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