Existing unsecured debts should be factored in to the calculations

Brendan Burgess

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|Johnny|Mary
Savings |€20k|€40k
Unsecured loans|0|€50k
Net savings|€20k|-€10k

If they are both on €60k salary, Mary will be able to buy a house for €200k, while Johnny, who is in a much better position, will be able to buy a house for only €100k.

This will encourage people who are saving up to buy a house, to hold onto their savings and take out car loans and credit union loans for their holidays.

Not sure about the best way to do this, but I think that they should be obliged to pay off their unsecured loans before buying a house.



Brendan
 
It's a bit black & white Brendan. i.e. Johnny could be on a 100K salary and Mary on 50K. Bottom line is that ability to borrow is based on ability to pay back. If proper due diligence is applied by banks assessing new loan applications they will take all circumstances into account in assessment process. A good assessment involves collecting full financial & personal information from the clients including evidence such as payslips/bank statements etc before making a repayment calculation on a stressed interest basis.
 
Hi 44b

Is my overall point not correct? Potential buyers should prioritise the deposit and borrow for cars and holidays.
 
Personally I don't think people should borrow for holidays. Period.

Edit: Actually if you're saving for a house you shouldn't be going on holidays.
 
Don't the banks have an affordability calculation as well as an LTV one? So the guy with the repayments on the €50k car loan will do better on the LTV but worse on the affordability?
 
There used to be a metric whereby mortgage payment should not exceed 40% of net income
I think that is the most sensible limit if aligned with 85-90% LTV
 
These type of metrics would be broad parameters and would not necessarily be appropriate to specific cases. repayment capacity analysis is based on a more rigorous assessment of the borrowers current financial and family circumstances.
 
Personally I don't think people should borrow for holidays. Period.

Edit: Actually if you're saving for a house you shouldn't be going on holidays.

Bronte

You are quite right, but most people will ignore your advice. I know many people who are in arrears, who seem to consider an annual holiday a right. I know of one couple who have been given a split mortgage to make their mortgage sustainable, but who still go on holidays every year.

Now, if someone wants to go on holidays, while saving to buy a house, they should take out a loan for the holiday, so that they have the 20% deposit.
 
Now, if someone wants to go on holidays, while saving to buy a house, they should take out a loan for the holiday, so that they have the 20% deposit.
This amongst some other posts made by BB & ors just illustrates why this 20% requirement makes no real sense!!
 
I have found this in the Consultation Paper. They have considered a Debt Service to Income Ratio , but have rejected it.



But I imagine that they are open to discussion on it as it's the first question they ask:

Question 1: Which of the tools or combination of tools available to the Central Bank would, in your opinion, best meet the objective of increasing resilience of the banking and household sectors to shocks in the Irish property market and why?