Even in prison, there are two Irelands


Brilliant post - John Waters is an absolute idiot, he has no clue about anything at this stage.

For your own peace of mind don't go anywhere near the Journal, any time there's anything about the Quinns on there the same rubbish is spouted about a Dublin/meeja conspiracy in the comments. I despair!
 
Sunny said:
Yes, you are right. Saint Sean is a victim of the bankers.

It's a Dublin based conspiracy against the people of the border regions.

Not surprised that John Waters doesn't get it either. [broken link removed]
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Strange then how neither Waters nor Quinn, in the articles quoted, make any reference whatsoever to any alleged geography-based or media conspiracy?

ps I don't know what to say about the logic of labelling someone 'brilliant' when you agree with their opinion and an 'idiot' when you disagree with them.
 
Sean Quinn was a good guy who did some monumentally stupid things - principally betting it all on Anglo. What he did when the excrement hit the fan is understandable if you were in his shoes, doesnt make it right but does make it understandable - I wouldnt really demonise him for that bit of the puzzle.

However neither do I buy the blaming others bit, if you're going to run the gauntlet by trying to hide assets then you have to say "its a fair cop guv" and hold out your hands for the cuffs, no bleating about it.

As regards where Quinn Junior was housed, I agree with it. Does anyone seriously think that he's a physical danger to others?, does anyone think he'd survive with the general populace? Wouldnt a minimum security prison be more appropriate and cost effective? Its just unfortunate that the high security prison is also a kip - if Thornton Hall was built and was the best in modern luxury, I'd have no qualms about Quinn & Seanie (in due course) slopping out in the 'joy, while the hard men had opulance in Thornton Hall.

I'd have to agree with John Waters as regards peoples attitude, some on here seem to want him in with violent criminals, would it make you feel better to think he was beaten or raped??, is that how low the country has gone? Recoup what money you can, take away their liberty if you must, but I dont take any pleasure in the thoughts of them being put in physical fear.

The hard facts are that your average con has a far better chance of survival in the general prison population than a white collar criminal. So if you're talking of "2 Irelands" in prison, I think violent offenders, sex offenders and drug offenders are 1 Ireland, and the other Ireland is everyone else who goes to prison.
 

Where did I say it was quoted in the articles? Have heard plenty of ordinary people from that region say it though.
 
Betsy Og said:
Sean Quinn was a good guy who did some monumentally stupid things - principally betting it all on Anglo.
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I think buying an insurance company, in a specialised industry that he knew nothing about, (when other insurance companies had run a mile) and then running like a ponzy scheme ‘till the UK regulators pulled in his reigns has to rank as his first and biggest mistake. Was is hubris, greed or stupidity or all three?
Anglo were not part of the core problem, they were just too blinded by their own greed and incompetence to see past the dog and pony show so they kept the whole thing afloat by pumping other people's money into the whole foul jamboree.
 

I must have missed that point as I was under the impression that the insurance side (in the Republic at least) was successful. I gather they went more aggressively into the UK trying to get market share but, economically (whatever about regulatory-wise) that could make sense if your ROI operation supported you while you got your foot in the door. You could then get into more normal pricing and into profit after the lead-in period.

Greed no doubt fuelled the Anglo splurge and yes that is a fault I'd hold against people. Just on a numbers basis, I thought it Anglo was the root of, and major part of, his problems - i.e. if no Anglo then all the businesses would still be going?????
 

You can obviously compete aggressively on price but you have to hold adequate reserves.

What Quinn did was take in the premium but fail to honour the promise of paying the claim.

People talk about moral hazard as some kind of abstract concept but we are very much in a world of moral hazard. Quinn insurance was not in a position to pay out on all its claims. The state has stepped in to fulfil the false guarantees given. I think we all need to think a little bit deeper about how we would feel if, rather than facing an insurance levy, we ended up having to pay massive costs out of our own pocket that we had already paid to avoid through insurance.
 

Nothing to do with banks? Really? Who is chasing the €500m ?
 
thats hardly a surprise, from what i hear he was always very supportive of them.
 
I cant quite figure out why the media think this (the GAA reading a few announcements) is a big deal. Sean Quinn's brother was a former president of the association, the Quinn's & their communities are probably big GAA followers (as are most areas amuigh faoin tuath, unless perhaps among those of planter origins - and at this stage maybe thats not fair either), anyway its no surprise that there is support for him at a local level, he did employ many of them for years afterall.

The GAA is non party political - i.e. they dont come out for FF Vs FG in the run up to an election. I was a bit surprised there seemed to be a tacit pro-Europe endorsement in the Summer, but I dont recall the finer detail on that.

With the current media interest you'd swear the Central Council of the GAA was after calling for an uprising.
 
Well I think there is a bit of a difference between senior GAA figures personally supporting the Quinns at their rallies and making an announcement at a county final regarding same, irrespective of whether people are involved in the organisation at a high level or not.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who support the GAA and attended the county final on Sunday who do not agree with the Quinn's stance on this issue.

At the end of the day, Peter Quinn junior is a fugitive from the law-of-the-land in this country, whether he or the GAA like it or not.
 
Lighten up, it was only a PA announcement, probably sandwiched in between messages about badly parked cars and forthcoming charity fundraisers.
 
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