I'm amazed they won't have a 5th official reviewing incidents on tv.
I can't take any more of the likes of Drogba rolling around the ground in agony with a broken boot lace!
What my point is, is that no team can prosper simply through cheating, no team can sustain a season long campaign on the back of cheating.So the 'simulation' 5 mins earlier has altered the course of the match and later through this obvious cheating Ronaldo smacks one in from 35 yards and all this is down to play acting?
I have seen cheating in every sport and in every match that I have seen or been involved in. some teams are higher profile so get more scrutiny, but it is petty or naive at least to suggest that a team can cheat its way to trophies.
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The first point you are quite right.
On the second you seem to be saying that either, every one is cheating or that Every match you have seen or been involved in there has been cheating.
That's very sad.
So you are saying the team with the best cheating players wins.
That is how football is going' i am glad you can see that.
But to go appealing to UEFA (the OP) is just arrogant.
So by your own argument the best cheating team can get to a final;
I would prefer the best teams to be there without the cheating;
Or carry on as they are and don't try and and break the rules off the field as well.
The football team that has the best players and play together as a team generally wins that goes for most team sports.
I have seen cheating in all games, but cheating can be subtle such as gaining extra yards for a throw in, its not quite as bad as it sounds.
How is it arrogant to appeal a decision, it is surely ok to question decisions? You hardly think Fletcher is a cheat??
I don't see how anyone tried to break the rules off of the field, maybe you can put me straight on that.
Do you support any soccer team?
I totally agree that cheating is bad for players and fans.
As for the two particular teams I feel that they might not have done so well if they hadn't spent so much time falling over.
Hardly a good example for our kids, if you pretend to fall you will get rewarded.
I don't really follow football but I really hate M.U.F.C.
What my point is, is that no team can prosper simply through cheating, no team can sustain a season long campaign on the back of cheating.
The football team that has the best players and play together as a team generally wins that goes for most team sports.
I have seen cheating in all games, but cheating can be subtle such as gaining extra yards for a throw in, its not quite as bad as it sounds.
How is it arrogant to appeal a decision, it is surely ok to question decisions? You hardly think Fletcher is a cheat??
I don't see how anyone tried to break the rules off of the field, maybe you can put me straight on that.
Do you support any soccer team?
My Rangers on top of league,post covers most of your post and others.
I agree that Man U have a large squad that plays well has good players and cheat(Your words) and with that can afford to sustain a long season.
Its the endemic cheating in football that sickens me.
Fletcher got a red card for a foul the rules are set out in black and white Man U Know the rules for the CL so if they are appealing they are trying to ''break the rules'' off the field
My arguments are valid regardless what team I support if any or you support,The main point is stop cheating in football at all levels.Do not turn a blind eye to it.Don't defend any cheating.
My Rangers on top of league,post covers most of your post and others.
I agree that Man U have a large squad that plays well has good players and cheat(Your words) and with that can afford to sustain a long season.
Its the endemic cheating in football that sickens me.
Fletcher got a red card for a foul the rules are set out in black and white Man U Know the rules for the CL so if they are appealing they are trying to ''break the rules'' off the field
My arguments are valid regardless what team I support if any or you support,The main point is stop cheating in football at all levels.Do not turn a blind eye to it.Don't defend any cheating.
I didn't say United cheat, the sarcasm may have been lost on you. I agree with you that blatant cheating detracts from the game, but I don't agree with you that the teams who finish top are the ones who cheat the most, it makes no sense.
United wrote to UEFA to see could the case be looked at, that doesn't constitute breaking the rules, it is merely questioning them. The fact that not everyone agrees that it was a red card would suggest that the element of grey area meant it was worth questioning. Even the Barcelona manager reckoned it was not a red card offence.
The Rangers incident is the worst kind, where a player has only one thing in mind and that is very calculated and he should be hammered with a long ban.
I still think it is a great game to watch.
I didn't say United cheat, the sarcasm may have been lost on you. I agree with you that blatant cheating detracts from the game, but I don't agree with you that the teams who finish top are the ones who cheat the most, it makes no sense.
United wrote to UEFA to see could the case be looked at, that doesn't constitute breaking the rules, it is merely questioning them. The fact that not everyone agrees that it was a red card would suggest that the element of grey area meant it was worth questioning. Even the Barcelona manager reckoned it was not a red card offence.
The Rangers incident is the worst kind, where a player has only one thing in mind and that is very calculated and he should be hammered with a long ban.
I still think it is a great game to watch.
At no point have I said that teams who cheat the most end up at the top.
Barcelona had a vested interest.
Rangers who have this cheat in their team are in a qualifying position for CL
Let's hope it stay's a great game to watch!
Sorry mick but you said there that you dont think teams that cheat the most end up on top. What was your first post about so!!!
Which would probaly read better out of context asThe link between the diving and cheating and UEFA is that it has put Man U in the final of the CL
Cheating effects games so therefore results,some teams cheat more than others,so even if you said that Man U never cheat(Though I have on good authority from their supporters on this thread that they doFletcher plays for a team that is there because of it.
My first post says nothing about the teams that cheat the most end up on top
Not here
Which would probaly read better out of context as
The link between the diving and cheating and UEFA is that it has put Man U in the final of the CL,thus having them appeal to UEFA
Or here
Cheating effects games so therefore results,some teams cheat more than others,so even if you said that Man U never cheat(Though I have on good authority from their supporters on this thread that they do),they
could still be in the final because of it,because it alters results
I hope that makes it clearer.
I'll second that!!
Confused? I will try to simplify it even more.There is a Knock out tournament
team A cheats and is awarded a penalty the other team B is out.
They win 2 more games against C and D through cheating.
Then they meet Team E who cheats as well and team E wins from a free kick.
(So now we have A B C D teams out,B C D of which do not cheat and who are more skilled)
In the semi final the cheating team E does not get an opportunity to get an advantage through their cheating,and are beaten by team F who do not cheat
Team F are in the final.
Team F could have been beatenby B C D but we can not know because they were put out by cheating.
Team F are in the Final because they did not meet B C or D because they were put out by cheating.
Therefore Team F are in the final because of cheating.
There are other Statments that can be made from that examples but it might confuse you again.
That I think is as simple as I can put it,but if I can be of any more help in explaining any other aspects of this I will
I've got a better one:
A seemingly insane poster wastes electricity posting complete and utter drivel about cheating and destiny.
The ESB have to increase output to compensate.
The extra heat dissipated in the national grid affects local weather patterns.
As a result of a gust of wind that should not have been, a startled butterfly lets a fart.
Chaos theory kicks in and there's now a storm over Rome next Wednesday.
A gust of wind displaces the ball just as Ronaldo is taking a penalty in a shoot-out. (The dire weather ruined the game as a spectacle, resulting in a boring 0-0 after 90 mins).
Barcelona end up winning.
Hope you're happy now.
I've got a better one:
A seemingly insane poster wastes electricity posting complete and utter drivel about cheating and destiny.
The ESB have to increase output to compensate.
The extra heat dissipated in the national grid affects local weather patterns.
As a result of a gust of wind that should not have been, a startled butterfly lets a fart.
Chaos theory kicks in and there's now a storm over Rome next Wednesday.
A gust of wind displaces the ball just as Ronaldo is taking a penalty in a shoot-out. (The dire weather ruined the game as a spectacle, resulting in a boring 0-0 after 90 mins).
Barcelona end up winning.
Hope you're happy now.
Barcelona won.
That's great good news
BrilliantI've got a better one:
A seemingly insane poster wastes electricity posting complete and utter drivel about cheating and destiny.
The ESB have to increase output to compensate.
The extra heat dissipated in the national grid affects local weather patterns.
As a result of a gust of wind that should not have been, a startled butterfly lets a fart.
Chaos theory kicks in and there's now a storm over Rome next Wednesday.
A gust of wind displaces the ball just as Ronaldo is taking a penalty in a shoot-out. (The dire weather ruined the game as a spectacle, resulting in a boring 0-0 after 90 mins).
Barcelona end up winning.
Hope you're happy now.
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