ETF Returns & Irish Taxation

A lot more expensive in tax terms than an investment subject to CGT!

An old post I know, sorry, but how much more expensive?

I have an offer of a Zurich Fund at 101% allocation thus covering the 1% levy and a 1.25% management fee. I haven't shopped around so might be better out there.

What do the fees look like for ETFs? One advantage of the fund seems to be that I can buy regularly so get better value when it dips as upped to trying to simplify things with ETFs and only buying once or twice a year.

I might look to invest 500 euro a month. I am just trying to understand what the cost of the convenience is.
 
Detailed PQ response here on Tax Treatment for ETFs
 
It's amazing that it is FF tds that are doing the running on this issue and not FG, the last question on etfs was from Jim o callaghan to pascal Donohoe, his response was actually incorrect. This time at least he seems to have the facts right but is just reading verbatim effectively from revenue guidelines.

He was asked specifically about etfs in the question but the answer was about funds in general which etfs are now lumped along with. It just shows how out of date and out of touch the tax code is on this whole issue .Yet the fact that the minister is being queried on this issue means that tds are hearing about this subject of etf taxation on the doorsteps now. It's no longer a financial gobbledegook topic that they can obfuscate
 
Can you put your etf investments through as your pension? What is the max you can put in that would be tax free?
 
Clubman just from reading around on the self administered pensions is it expensive due to the fact that a third party is setting it up so that it's actively managed and a 1% charge per annum and platform fee is applied? I take it that they are complex to set up directly?
 
What are you trying to achieve with buying an ETF through a pension, vs just using an index-based equity fund provided by the pension provider? Depends on the provider, of course, but many provide an equity fund based on MSCI World or similar.
 
One reason many people like ETFs is because they have lower costs compared to funds provided by Life Cos (e.g. 0.2% vs 1%). While this is true, from a pension perspective any advantage usually gets offset by the extra charges and complexity involved in running a self-administered pension (setup fees, annual management charges around 1%, platform fees, etc.)

If having access to a broader selection of investments (including specific ETFs or assets like property) matters for your strategy (and you have a decent sized fund), then a self-administered structure might still make sense despite the extra costs. However, most people don't need to overcomplicate their pension investments and would likely be better off sticking with large diversified index-tracking funds like MSCI World as suggested.

It also depends on your other options - if you're already in a large DC scheme with competitive fees, those costs can often be significantly lower than what you'd achieve individually. Personally, I kept my pension pot in a deferred DC scheme. Even though I liked the idea of ETFs and self-administered options (like those from Davy or Goodbody), the numbers didn't stack up for me, I already had access to a low cost global fund and if I moved I probably would've been tempted to trade too frequently anyway.