pernickety
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Yes - of course. I don't see what morals/morality has to do with this issue to be honest.Do you avail of all that's coming to you?
Who do you mean by "we" here? You and your family specifically or others too?I know where you are coming from. There are some things, like childrens allowance, that I don't think we need.
So why not claim it and donate it to those who you think better deserve it?By that I mean it would be better if our share went to those for whom it was a necessity. The extra money is nice but we would still do fine without it.
You don’t have a moral right to these benefits
Who do you mean by "we" here? You and your family specifically or others too?
So why not claim it and donate it to those who you think better deserve it?
Or should we just not claim it and leave the money in the system?
Those without children or those who are not the primary carers for their children don't.I think the 'child benefit' remark explains a little. Everyone gets it.
"Others" have not dictated this - we all have by virtue of the fact that we live in a democracy.Should we always take what others have defined we are entitled to?
There is no "should" about it - it's a personal choice.Should we take it and run. Should we take it and give to charity, as suggested above. Or should we just not claim it and leave the money in the system?
Eh? Dogs (or dog's or dogs' presumably?) home?Its all well and good saying "donate it to those who you think better deserve it", but I have a problem with money from a child poverty measure going to a dogs home.
Again - eh?Has anyone else heard about the exchange between Mrs Fitzgerald and Mrs Smurfitt in Brown Thomas re: children's allowance, or is that an urban myth?
Care to elaborate?I always viewed children's allowance and the pre-school payment as being universal untargeted payments, which I disapprove of...
If you have fundamental objections to these payments being universal to those with children then you should probably start lobbying your elected representatives or otherwise campaign for changes to the relevant welfare payment schemes. Good luck!
are to elaborate?
Do you mean 'disapprove of' because of guilt or something that there are people out there starving and you're collecting that money?
I think a lot of people pay tax here, and it's fair that we get helped along by the government.
I'm sure if you disagree you can refuse to collect the money?
I see your point. However, I believe you would be in a minority? I don't think everybody would think about the impoverished before they put their hand out to collect. So sadly you may have a long, arduous affair ahead of you.i disapprove becuase child benefit is a child poverty measure. It was initially universal as most women did not have economic independence, and there was no way of ensuring income distribution within the home. Nowadays with economic opportunities available to women, this argument does not hold water.
In an ideal world, I would like to see it targeted towards children living in poverty. Perhaps by taxing it and using the revenue to roll out early start programmes or other intervention schemes.
i disapprove becuase child benefit is a child poverty measure. It was initially universal as most women did not have economic independence, and there was no way of ensuring income distribution within the home. Nowadays with economic opportunities available to women, this argument does not hold water.
In an ideal world, I would like to see it targeted towards children living in poverty. Perhaps by taxing it and using the revenue to roll out early start programmes or other intervention schemes.
I might agree too, if the difference was given to the 40k/y earner. But do you think that it would? Or is that what the lobbying is for.I agree 100% with this.
It is totally unjust that those on incomes of €200k plus a year get the same as those on €40K.
[/font]As above I don't really understand the concept of "moral right" here.
I mean me and my family and others like me.Who do you mean by "we" here? You and your family specifically or others too?
Since you asked, that's what we do.So why not claim it and donate it to those who you think better deserve it?
Yes, that's a good point too. Payments should be increased to those who need it most and decreased or stopped altogether to those who need it least.I might agree too, if the difference was given to the 40k/y earner. But do you think that it would? Or is that what the lobbying is for.
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