E-voting machines to be scrapped

Apparently not as much saved per annum as that. According to RTE:
"The cost of storing the electronic voting machinery was €489,000 in 2007, compared to €706,000 in 2006."
That still seems like alot for storage.
According to the [broken link removed] "more than 700" machines were ordered. looking at the picture here 10-20,000 sq ft should be enough to store the entire lot. Where were they keeping them, grafton st.???
 
Bidding has started at €1 : [broken link removed]

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It was always stated that it uses MS Access, which is the front end graphical tool/design environment. Not JET which is the database engine used by Access.
Stated by who?

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I heard on the radio today that the machines have a life span of about 20 years and that some of the storage contracts signed were for 25 years!

Good or what??!!
 
Stated by who?

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The document you just quoted! It seems to confuse MS Access which is a database's GUI front end, DAO (Data Access Objects) which along with RDO, ODBC and various ADOs were/are MS flavour of the day database interface layers.
 
The document you just quoted! It seems to confuse MS Access which is a database's GUI front end, DAO (Data Access Objects) which along with RDO, ODBC and various ADOs were/are MS flavour of the day database interface layers.
The only thing that is confusing is your apparent reluctance to be big enough to admit that you were wrong. You stated yesterdaythat "real killer was the fact that the counting software, apart from having bugs was written in Microsoft Access". As I told you yesterday, and as is confirmed by the DoEHLG document, it wasn't written in Access. It was written in Object Pascal, and uses various add-in utilities to access the Access database.

You can try to confuse and obfuscate by introducing a pile of TLAs (three letter abbreviations), but it isn't going to work. The count software wasn't written in MS Access.
 

The fact it used MS Access was what stood out in my memory. It is stated in the report MS Accress was used, but reading it in more detail seems to imply it did not use MS Accress, but rather a Delphi front end accessing the JET Database Engine through an DAO interface.

In any event the killer was that fact that they specified machines without printers and it was not ecomic to retrofit them.
 
In any event the killer was that fact that they specified machines without printers and it was not ecomic to retrofit them.
I'd go further than that, to be honest. THe absence of printers was a symptom rather than a cause.

The real killer was the absence of any business case. There was understanding of what benefit(s) the new system was supposed to achieve. It was clear case of a solution looking for a problem, computerisation for its own sake.
 

For sure. When asked many moons ago for just such a business case Martin Cullen stated that the e-voting machines would be an efficient cost, saving measure. Asked to put a figure on that saving he estimated a saving of about €1M a year. I'm not sure if that included the additional cost of storage of the devices but let's be generous and say it does.

So the government was looking at fifty years before they broke even on the venture, from machines that were slated to last no more than twenty years.

Amazingly, in the catalogue of stupid, wasteful government decisions this isn't the worst!
 
I don't believe there was any basis for his claim that they would save €1m per annum.
 
Ahh, a sign of the times perhaps. AFAIK, methodology is a study / analysis of methods / practices used in a discipline.

Ah now!! it's also "a particular procedure or set of procedures" as in a software develpment procedure perhaps?
 
I don't believe there was any basis for his claim that they would save €1m per annum.

It certainly had the air of a figure plucked from the air in the interview if I recall correctly. Which makes it worse, as he clearly saw nothing fundamentally wrong with spending €50M in order to achieve a €1M a year saving for twenty years.
 
He conveniently forgot to add in the extra cost of the dedicated operator that each of the 7,000 machines required on polling day - 7,000 extra man-days for each election.
 
Why you can bank online but not vote is beyond me.

Manually counting votes is the stuff of dark ages.
With PPS/Public Services Broker/ etc - eletronic voting should happen again.