Dunphy and Giles and Irish Soccer


Dont get me wrong, we all look back on Big Jacks days fondly, but that doesnt negate the fact that he had a "harry ramsden challenge" and used to write tactics on the pack of fag pack! Even in those times it took the mickey . .

O'Shea starts when united players are injured. He is a first team player by default . While I agree Doyle and Hunt are better then their clubs, they are still championship players.

Not looking for an arguement . I enjoy dunphy and co, but they do talk some tripe sometimes.

And as far as Irish fans not having realistic expectations of their team, is it any surprise considering the vast amount of people in this country sticking their heads in the sand regarding our economy.
 

Excellent post. Agree very much. Not perfect but as good as we can hope for.

And we need to move on from the Stephen Ireland business. He doesn't want to play for his country and that should be the end of it. Even if he did want to come back, I'm not sure that members of the current panel would be jumping up and down with delight. My personal feeling is that he would have a de-stabilising affect on the team.

The Management have said that they won't be contacting him anymore and that the next move is up to him.

I can't understand why the media keep asking Trap and Brady about it. The last time I saw a press conference where it came up, Brady took a firm line with the media.

Surely an average player who wants to play for his country is of greater benefit than a good player who doesn't want to.
 
Sunny said:
As bad as Dunphy is, I would always listen to him and Giles ahead of people like Redknapp, Shearer, Hanson, Townsend etc. Giles for me is the best analyst around.
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The thing is i think Giles has been getting far too much credit for a while now. His constant football is a simple game, honesty of effort and they should apply themselves in a positive manner in every game are hardly nuggets of wisdom. they could shorten the analysis by half because everything is repeated so often. Throw in a few 'great players like John, Ronnie and Graham would never play like that' every week and you have the rte analysis.

The boys on BBC and Sky are afraid of offending their buddies and the guys on rte have gone stale and look like they need a shake up.
 
 
The main thing for me on Wednesday night was, for once, the Irish team entertained us with attacking football. Time after time we have watched them huff and puff aimlessly. I think Trap deserves great credit. Within a few minutes an italian sent off and a goal down called for a dramatic change in tactics. He took a huge gamble throwing on untried players and it worked for him. I think he showed his wisdom about the game. He is doing well with limited talent at his disposal. Like many, I am fed up with Dunphy. As Sunny said, he thinks he is God. He has criticised every manager since Charlton. He always has a ''pet'' player - for years Roy Keane was his idol and now we have to listen to him go on about Reid and Ireland. I was disappointed with Giles on Wednesday - I thought he could have been more complimentary to Trap. Overall, Ireland are doing okay in the Group - its all to play for and we are in there with a good chance.
 
I see the scottish FA have disciplined their captain and banned him from ever playing for his country again. Possibly excessive but just makes a mockery of some peoples opinions that we should beg or openly accept Stephen (all my grannys are dead, make an idiot out of the country) Ireland back to play for us.

Also shows how the scottish FA want to to things right and disciplined, but our "Harry Ramsden fish challenge" fans still dont realise that in modern football having talent isnt simply enough.
 

Excellent!!!
 

It will be interesting to see if a grovelling apology and fan pressure makes a difference in the scot scenario. In fairness sitting on the bench giving 2 fingers to the camera after having an 8 hour drinking session before a qualifier is more excessive than making up a story to get out of a match to see your girlfriend who has just miscarried your child.

One incident was childish and irresponsible while the other seemed the act of a paniced young man.
 

That's Fair enough, I would agree with that about his girlfriend, but it doesnt really explain his actions in the days afterwards (all his grannies died) and his subsequent self imposed exile from playing for us . . I dont see why he is was (and still is) so devestated that he can play for City but not for Ireland.

Im not suggesting that we ban him, but we shouldnt be looking for Trapp and Brady to grovel, nor should he be talked of as a shining beacon of Irish Football.

The point on the scottish FA was that they at least put proper perspective on players behaviour and how it can affect team and fan morale. I wouldnt even debate whether or not the FAI would have the balls to suspend Robbie Keane if he did the same thing, he wouldnt miss a game!!
 
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