I'm sure it's been remarked on before but the Dublin Transportation Office website gives only 2 non-public transport options viz. walking and cycling. I wonder does the fact that they have never heard of the motorcar give any insight into why driving around Dublin is such an utter nightmare?ClubMan said:Is the [broken link removed] of any use?
Thanks Oystermanoysterman said:I wonder does the fact that they have never heard of the motorcar give any insight into why driving around Dublin is such an utter nightmare?
Originally posted here before being split into a separate thread - ClubMan.
According to (underlining is mine):ajapale said:If the objective of the DTO is to discourage private car usage where does that leave people who want to use taxis?
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• a strong, competitive, dynamic and sustainable Region;
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Brendan said:Hi Oysterman
I am not sure what your point is? They have a walking and cycling planner on their website. I know my way around Dublin, so it's unlikely I would use it.
They have the bus and DART timetables on the site.
What are you suggesting? That the Dublin Transportation Authority should be facilitating private cars to further clog the streets? I think you miss the point.
Brendan
But does that mean that the car shouldn't even be mentioned? Is the car in 21st century Dublin to become like sex in the 1950s?Brendan said:Hi Oysterman
I am not sure what your point is? They have a walking and cycling planner on their website. I know my way around Dublin, so it's unlikely I would use it.
If the objective of the DTO is to discourage private car usage where does that leave people who want to use taxis?
Er - that's the point. It is a walking and cycling route planner. It's not a public transport or car journey planner. Also - it's not supposed to be some panacea to transport issues around the city as some people seem to think.daltonr said:I must confess that site has me slightly confused. Out of curiosity I tried a Journey that I make most days Firhouse to SandyFord. I could only get walking directions. I couldn't get it to start at the Bus Stop down the road. At 164 Mins fora car journey that takes 10 minutes, I'll stick to the car for that Journey.
Grand - but the point is that the DTO's vision/mission/goal is to reduce dependance on private cars and to encourage use of other alternatives such as public transport, cycling, walking etc. I don't think that either they or Brendan pretend that cars don't exist though.Brendan, Pretending Cars don't exist is a recipe for disaster. If there was a web site that could tell me a good route to take to an appropriate Park and Ride Facility, I'm sure many people would never bring their cars into the City.
So we can expect that you won't complain if you get stuck in gridlock or can't easily find parking at your destination because others think the same way?If I can't park near public transport, I'll drive all the way. I don't care. Either way I get there in comfort.
Who are you speaking on behalf of when you say "we"? Funny you should mention that but when I was a more regular cyclist I generally avoided off road cycle lanes which were generally badly maintained, shared with the pavement and stopped suddenly at laybys, bus stops etc. and, in my opinion, relegated cyclists to second class road users.Incidently could you pass the word on to any cyclist friends that you have that in the growing number of areas where cycle lanes are provided, we'd all appreciate if cyclists would use them. Because quite frankly if you all are that insistant on cycling on the roads, we should turn those cycle lanes back into roads so that everyone can use them.
This may be stating the obvious, but a website won't solve our traffic problems. The first issue would provision of an appropriate park-and-ride facility - the website can come later.daltonr said:Brendan, Pretending Cars don't exist is a recipe for disaster. If there was a web site that could tell me a good route to take to an appropriate Park and Ride Facility, I'm sure many people would never bring their cars into the City.
daltonr said:Incidently could you pass the word on to any cyclist friends that you have that in the growing number of areas where cycle lanes are provided, we'd all appreciate if cyclists would use them. Because quite frankly if you all are that insistant on cycling on the roads, we should turn those cycle lanes back into roads so that everyone can use them.
This may be stating the obvious, but a website won't solve our traffic problems. The first issue would provision of an appropriate park-and-ride facility - the website can come later.
Will you pass the word onto to pedestrians to keep out of the cycle lanes?
Er - that's the point. It is a walking and cycling route planner. It's not a public transport or car journey planner. Also - it's not supposed to be some panacea to transport issues around the city as some people seem to think.
So we can expect that you won't complain if you get stuck in gridlock or can't easily find parking at your destination because others think the same way?
You also seem to be unusual in not having problems getting parking, especially in Dublin city centre, these days. Can you explain how you manage this?daltonr said:You get stuck from time to time, but I'm fortunate that I rarely travel at peak traffic times. And I never have a problem getting parking at the other end.
I am perhaps also unusual in that I don't mind a 1 hour+ drive to the city center
ClubMan said:You also seem to be unusual in not having problems getting parking, especially in Dublin city centre, these days. Can you explain how you manage this?
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