I think they are significantly less bolshy than they were in the 70's and 80's. The "going to the ATM" pay rises/Benchmarking during the boom years probably helped.While I was at school in the 70' and 80's teachers were always threatening industrial action over the usual suspects - pay, pensions, performance measurement, implementation of curriculum changes etc....
Overall, I don't see too much has changed ... (maybe less strikes nowadays)
What about the poor farmers?As for the moaning:
What I don't get is that teachers, probably as much as nurses, seem to require the constant gratification of strangers. If they tell you they are all wonderful, and by god do they tell you that they are all wonderful, and you don't gushingly and instantly agree you are looked at like you're some sort of monster. No other sectors does as much moaning and talks themselves up as much as those two. Is that insecurity or something else?
Good point! While they take whinging to a whole different level and most of their income comes from handouts but it’s bloody hard work and a very uncertain income from the actual farming side of it.What about the poor farmers?
And yet there's supposedly a shortage of teachers. The problem may be that there are lots of career breaks and exits from the sector.A graduate who decides to train as a chartered accountant may have their fees paid and a contribution to living costs from one of the big firms, with a virtual guarantee of a job on getting the Masters.
A graduate who decides to train as a teacher will have to pay fees (about €12k) and meet their living expenses, with virtually no chance of securing a job on getting the masters.
As of posting there are 419 positions advertised on Education posts, of which 6 are permanent jobs.
And a HDip takes two years now and not one. Lots of people fell into Secondary School teaching years ago because they didn't know what else to do after their Arts degree. I think there's far less of that now.I have suggested that this means only those who cannot do better for themselves become teachers, although I was impressed by the counter argument that anyone who enters teaching today has a vocation for it. They don't do it for a 'good job'.
Agree 100%.If you are good at it, teaching is an easy job, if you are not it must be an absolute nightmare. Not many people would like to do a job to an audience of 25, 15 year olds.
Maybe if it was easier/possible to get rid of poor performers there would be more permanent jobs.As of posting there are 419 positions advertised on Education posts, of which 6 are permanent jobs.
There was a strike in 2020 about the two tier pay system which, ironically, was agreed by their Unions after the crash when they sold young teachers down the river, along with children with additional needs, to protect their own pay and conditions.From memory , the last major teacher’s strike took place over 50 years ago in 1969 .
There are a lot less poor performers than there used to be. It is much easier for a teacher who hates teaching to move into a role with the Dept. of Education, or one of the local education centers.Maybe if it was easier/possible to get rid of poor performers there would be more permanent jobs.
My kids’ primary school (Dublin) recently got zero applications for two advertised posts. Several teachers are fresh out of training in their early 20s.primary is all subbing, with no 12 month contracts.
We’re the advertised posts, actual jobs or temporary/maternity cover.My kids’ primary school (Dublin) recently got zero applications for two advertised posts. Several teachers are fresh out of training in their early 20s.
I think it’s good pay somewhere rural but in urban areas it’s not great.
Yes, but if they are any use they will be made permanent within a few years.We’re the advertised posts, actual jobs or temporary/maternity cover.
Typically about 2% of advertised posts are permanent jobs.
Right now education posts has 269 vacancies for post primary teachers of which 4 are permanent jobs.
Not too likely if it’s maternity leave.Yes, but if they are any use they will be made permanent within a few years.
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