Discussion: "Why Dubliners should pay more in property tax" from publicpolicy.ie

dereko1969 said:

It's only rural dwellers that use Bus Éireann, not residents of Dublin - they use Dublin Bus.

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Dublin Bus won't take a Clontarf resident from Dublin to Cavan or Donegal.

dereko1969 said:

It's only rural dwellers that use Bus Éireann, not residents of Dublin - they use Dublin Bus.

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So people in Dublin don't travel down the country?

I agreed that City dwellers have better facilities ...BUT ... is it not the case that City Dwellers paid a HUGE premium in the price the would have paid for their houses in the first place which is essentially for the benefit of these facilities.
Higher LPT would be justified where the same price was paid for standard 3 bed in Dublin and say any rural area ...but the reality is that the Dublin resident had to pay 300/400k extra for the same house. ( thats a lot of LPT PAID UPFRONT).

Did anyone mention that rural dwellers payer higher ESB charges, higher bin charges and generally have poor access to telecoms.
I also noticed that people are mentioning an average south county Dublin house as being 500-700K, ahem have you tried to sell recently? I'd halve those figures.

Without full accountability to the residents of how their LPT is actually spent to benefit the community as a whole be it Dublin our further a field, I fear the proceeds will only subsidise the present wasteful practice of pot hole filling and breast feeding of shovels.

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I think there is an element of disingenuousness in creating a Dublin/urban versus rural divide. There are plenty of houses in Dublin that will be valued in the <€100,000 range - in the City Centre, Tallaght, Clondalkin, Finglas, Ballymun, Blanchardstown etc. as well as apartments across the city - making them equivalent to prices in regional / country towns and rural areas.

CFC said:

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I think there is an element of disingenuousness in creating a Dublin/urban versus rural divide. There are plenty of houses in Dublin that will be valued in the <€100,000 range - in the City Centre, Tallaght, Clondalkin, Finglas, Ballymun, Blanchardstown etc. as well as apartments across the city - making them equivalent to prices in regional / country towns and rural areas.

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I'd second that sentiment. Civil servants are off the menu since they recently got a bashing. It seems to me the major pastime of the last few year has been for people to scapegoat which is a serious negative of our collective predicament.
The simple issue is way the tax has been devised is unfair as it does not target everyone who uses local services; it takes relatively no account of income or circumstances; it takes no account huge stamp duty paid by many people. It should be a local income tax and it should be 100% accountable by being handled by locally.

They are dubliners ,so they will pay the most property tax,however this new tax needs to be resisted more forcefully by the Irish people. Noonan says they were elected to sort out the fiscal problems in Ireland when in fact it was just a protest vote that has them in government .and now water tax coming. Eamo

Luternau said:

Turning that the other way;
Rural dwellers should have to pay more for Motor tax as they use the roads more than those in urban areas! i do 5,000m p.a and pay the same as someone that does 25,000.
I accept that lots of city dwellers cover more mls than me, but generally, rural dwellers averages are much higher. Therefore they use the roads more and should pay more for the use of the infastructure.
IMO, its the same arguement as greater/easier access to services for urban dwellers.

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There is no public transport to a lot of village, a car is essential to go to work or go shopping. Dublin folk could give their car up aand still live normally