Despondent about redundancy package

Futureguy

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Hi all,
I’m just after finishing my first consultation am after being let know my role is being made redundant.

To say I’m upset by the package they are giving (large multinational) is an understatement.
19 years service. No issues with performance ever.

I’m the last person in Ireland. Everyone else that has left the business has received 2 statutory and 4 weeks.

I’m offered 2 weeks statutory plus the difference between the 600 cap and my weekly earnings why’s accounts to about an extra week per year. So I’m getting 3 weeks, everyone else has received 6 weeks.

I have no worlds. Does anyone have advice on how to position myself to perhaps negotiate this.
 

Peanuts20

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Firstly an employer has no obligation to pay you anything above and beyond statutory. However if they have changed the terms that I suggest your first step should be to ask for a copy of their redundancy and HR policies to understand what has and has not changed. Length of service and performance is not relevant in a case like this. I think a simple question as to why this change has occurred, when it occurred and why you were not informed of this might also be good
 

SBarrett

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Did they tell you why there is a difference between your payment and everyone else?
 

elcato

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Is redundancy not capped at 2 years wage ? That said 3 x 19 weeks is not 104.
 

misemoi

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Sorry to hear this. Unfortunately employers can change severance terms. However, if you are the last employee and everyone else got extra, I'd write to them requesting that they pay you the same. You've nothing to lose. At this stage it might be payroll in another office in a different country processing it, so they might not be familiar with what happened in the past.
 

Easel

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I feel your pain on this one. It is very unfair, especially after 19 years. Do you have any leverage to help negotiate? I would be exploring every option available considering the difference in the figures. Given your length of service a very large portion of the ex gratia payment (assuming 4 weeks) will be tax free.

I would contact the WRC and see what they say
 

elcato

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This happened in a company I worked for when they had a second round of redundancies. The second group of which there were 2 negotiated a better deal because of the precedence of the earlier redundancy package so negotiate on that basis.
 

Brendan Burgess

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Why did you not accept redundancy earlier when it was being offered?

If they asked you to stay to tidy up affairs, did you not do an agreement with them on the terms?

What level are you at? Were you the MD or were you security?

Brendan
 

Futureguy

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Hi all thanks for the volume and quality of response.

I am the last Irish worker. There were 450 in 2008, 70 in 2011, 7 in 2016 and now just me working from home. I performed a different business function to the 7 so my role was kept.

They say the redundancy package is on a case by case basis and reflects the length of service and salary of the employee.

Even in UK, where the redundancy is capped at 12 years service (1 year salary), that package would be far superior to what I’ve been offered. I’m essentially being offered about 30% less than any UK employee in the last 10 years and 100% less than every single Irish employee.

1 sick day in 8 years, flawless disciplinary record, lead by example with integrity at all times. I just cannot understand it It’s a big multinational.

As an aside, the WRC have been completely incompetent.
 

Futureguy

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19 years of loyalty and to be screwed over like this is unbelievable. To put into context, as I did the actual maths. Any other Irish employee would be looking at nearly treble the lump sum. Any other UK employee would be getting 50% more.
 
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mtk

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Firstly I see where you are coming from .
If you have a boss you get on with I would simply state how you feel and what others got.
Also was there ever any conversation or email during these last 11 years where you were promised "something "? If yes that would be crucial to mention ASAP
 

Futureguy

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I don’t think any conversation would hold weight unfortunately.

A question - is a potential future redundancy package a “benefit” of employment?
 

Thirsty

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Kick up a fuss - you've nothing to lose.

Threaten to sue for unfair dismissal.

There's an old saying,

when the law is on your side; pound the law
when the facts are on your side; pound the facts
when neither are on your side; pound the table.
 

NoRegretsCoyote

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The legal route might be fruitful.

If the firm no longer has a presence in Ireland they won't be interested in tooling up for a WRC hearing.

They might be more inclined to settle.
 

Futureguy

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Kick up a fuss - you've nothing to lose.

Threaten to sue for unfair dismissal.

There's an old saying,

when the law is on your side; pound the law
when the facts are on your side; pound the facts
when neither are on your side; pound the table.
that’s the thing - can’t they simply pull the Ex Gratia and leave me with just the statutory?
 

Leper

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Have you a union/association to represent you? If not, you're sunk! Sorry!
 

Thirsty

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"That’s the thing - can’t they simply pull the Ex Gratia and leave me with just the statutory?"

I believe that would be considered retribution and I think you would certainly have a case; employers aren't entitled to bully their employees.

I take it you have a written offer at this point?
 
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