fatmanknows
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W2dew
If I remember correctly you predicted 8% by 08. That's way off the map. I find it hard to imagine (Breakup of the euro is the only possible scenario).
If it does happen this would be the worst possible scenario for the Irish economy. There won't be enough stretchers to go round.
Duplex
If I read you correctly you're predicting a deflationary recession/ Depression.
Deflations do happen but they're very rare particularly in an era of fiat money. There was a global deflation in the 30s and Japan had a deflation in the 90s.
There certainly has been a massive build up of debt and global inbalances partly as a result of previous attempts to "fight" deflation/recession. Central bankers would move heaven and earth to prevent deflation taking hold. In general deflation has been a bad prediction.
So if I had to pick between the two scenarios I go with W2deW 's inflationary scenario although I think it's unlikely.
Housing: more pain ahead
Many investors assume the damage to the housing industry is an isolated event (much as it was assumed that the dot-com implosion was an isolated event). I find myself more concerned than the consensus, believing the housing industry is vastly more important to the overall economy than many are currently assuming. Given that prices have yet to fall enough to drain inventories, and mortgage rates have yet to fall enough to stimulate another mortgage refinancing boom, there is still likely more pain and suffering to come before we can close the books on this housing cycle. And the harder housing falls, the harder it will be for the economy to land softly.
Note the chart below. It is a comparison of the price of copper relative to the NASDAQ bubble. There are so many charts like this, I think the message that the bond market is telling us is very important and may eventually lead to a change in my firm's view in our maturities that we hold for clients. The bond market is screaming slowdown or recession and these charts show the roadmap to that end. If these bubbles burst simultaneously, I don’t think the Fed or any central bankers will be able to stop the cascading of prices. This is for both commodities and stock prices. It would also affect corporate bonds, particularly junk and emerging market debt. I realize this is all sobering, and the pictures are downright scary, but to hide from the facts is the wrong “M.O.!”
If it wasn't spoof I bet they could sell if off the plans!
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Near my own neck of the woods - see 100 Sandford Road above. It had a day out at the Auction a few months ago with an AMV of €2m. It never made it to the podium and had been for sale since. Couple of weeks ago it finally goes sale agreed ( at what price I don't know). Then just this morning I notice the FOR SALE flag goes back up. No big deal but just a further little bit of somewhat anecotal evidence that buyers are getting nervy.
There's a great story here if any Irish Indo Journalists are still reading
Here's some first-hand insight into the trials and tribulations of (trying to) sell in Lucan:
http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showpost.php?p=281887&postcount=5
Correction: Central Bankers are appointed by German politicans and their great unwashed happen to like high interest rates because they are savers not borrowers.
Good point The Germans have put up with a fair amount of pain recently in the name of the euro. If growth had been as slow in the US poeple would have been screaming for lower IR. Monetary stability does seem to be more prised in Germany.But they are not the whole Eurozone....Spain Italy Portugal Greece Ireland may all be calling for lower IR if Duplex is correct. We'll see what happens.
The ECB's number 1 objective is Price Stability = keep inflation in check. To start targeting member states' property markets (esp small ones like us & Spain) would require a change of Policy on their part, and would be impossible anyway given the diverse cycles throughout Europe.We may well see what happens. But while they might be screaming for lower interest rates now, why weren't they screaming for higher interest rates when we needed them? And if they were, and we didn't get them, why should it be different now that we need lower interest rates.
We may well see what happens. But while they might be screaming for lower interest rates now, why weren't they screaming for higher interest rates when we needed them? And if they were, and we didn't get them, why should it be different now that we need lower interest rates.
Good point The Germans have put up with a fair amount of pain recently in the name of the euro. If growth had been as slow in the US poeple would have been screaming for lower IR. Monetary stability does seem to be more prised in Germany.But they are not the whole Eurozone....Spain Italy Portugal Greece Ireland may all be calling for lower IR if Duplex is correct. We'll see what happens.
I do think it's hilarious the way that prices aren't falling, it's just that they were "overpriced in the 1st quarter of 2006"
These vested interests are spinning so fast they can almost see the back of their own necks.
Good point The Germans have put up with a fair amount of pain recently in the name of the euro. If growth had been as slow in the US poeple would have been screaming for lower IR. Monetary stability does seem to be more prised in Germany.But they are not the whole Eurozone....Spain Italy Portugal Greece Ireland may all be calling for lower IR if Duplex is correct. We'll see what happens.
Good point The Germans have put up with a fair amount of pain recently in the name of the euro. If growth had been as slow in the US poeple would have been screaming for lower IR. Monetary stability does seem to be more prised in Germany.But they are not the whole Eurozone....Spain Italy Portugal Greece Ireland may all be calling for lower IR if Duplex is correct. We'll see what happens.
They deliberately didn't put it in.They forgot Israel!? Should be between b21 Egypt and d98 Jordan. What gives?
I post this for the benefit of posters not from Cork. I thought it summed up the current situation rather well.
Magical Mystery Tour (Editorial from this weeks Cork Independent. (widely read freesheet in Cork - not online so can't be linked)
"All aboard!!" shouts the Fat Controller. "All aboard the gravy train". Like an episode of Thomas the Tank Engine the puffing behemoth that is the Irish property boom is chugging down the tracks but the most attentive kids in the audience can see its about to derail, thanks to the healthy dose of reality lying on the line, also known as a "correction".
The puffy chested big wigs who run the railway are telling the pasengers that the line is clear, the worst that can happen is that the train will slow down a bit.
Their friends, The Fat Contractor and the Greedy Banker egg them on helped by their chums in PR. "Don't worry," they say, "we'll all be fine". But alas the train did indeed hit a fallen tree (correction) and derailed.
The Fat Controller was quick to call for help. He called his frineds in the Garda Station, he called his golfing buddy Dr Stretched in the hospital. "Come quick the gravy train has left the tracks. I think some of the passengers have been injured".
He waited ... and waited... and waited ...and waited. But nobody came. He tried to calm the passengers who were starting to panic. Those who could walked away from the gravy train, they wouldn't be getting onboard again in a hurry.
Dr Stretched finally turned up, lights flashing. "Where have you been? said the Fat Controller. "I had to go and pick up the paramedics", said Doctor Stretched. "They live a long way from the big city".
"Wheres Garda Plod?, said the Controller. "He's on his way," said Dr Stretched. "He'll be a bit longer, he lives even further from the big city".
Nobody had the heart to tell the Fat Controller that Plod couldn't afford to live near the big city. The story didn't end happily ever after for the Fat Controller. The passengers took a long time to come back to the gravy train and by then he had been made redundant.
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