Current account mortgages

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I was shopping around for mortgages last year and I met a sales guy from one particuar bank who gave me a demo of their calculator to see how much I could save.

He asked me for my monthly income and then for all my expenses each month under various headings. The result was a drastic saving in interest and term when compared with a conventional mortgage even with higher interest rates. This did not seem right so I had another look at it later.

It turns out that calculator assumes any surplus every month builds up indefinitely in your current account and therefore reduces the interest and term drastically. I did not think that this was fair in that most people, as I did, tend not to think of every expense, and this implies a higher surplus per month. In my case, it was incorrectly assumed that around €500 per month would build up in my account every month and of course this meant that my mortgage would be paid off a lot quicker. If I had €500 per month over, I would put into my variable rate mortgage which would clear that more quickly also!

My biggest objection was that it was not clear that this was the basis on which the calcuator was producing these very attractive figures. Many people could easily be misled into going for this product just because they underestimated their expenditure on their kids clothes or the like.

The fact that the calculator is so unnecessarily convoluted and that the salesman would not give me printout of my results leads me to believe that this is not an entirely accidental result.

Has anyone else had any similar experiences?
 
About 11 years ago I remember getting a similar spiel from NIB when I was shopping around. They used their new fangled (at the time) computerised calculator to show how much could be saved by accelerating the mortgage repayments. Their "flexible" mortgage package was nothing more than a variable rate mortgage with no restrictions on varying the repayments or making lump sum repayments. The same as most or all other lenders offered. I ended up going with the EBS as they were the most competitive (at the time) and seemed to offer the best customer service (also at the time).

As ever - don't expect independent, professional advice from a bank teller/tied agent. If you want to crunch your own numbers then use something like Karl Jeacle's mortgage calculator.
 
If you are talking about First Active's current account mortgage calculator it can not give you a precise over-view of how the account would work for you for precisely the reasons you've given - finances are liquid for all of us from month to month. However from personal experience it works for me (over cheaper interest rates) for the daily offset of savings against the mortgage interest, accessibility to savings and a detailed monthly statement of income, outgoings and savings.

Horses for courses, I guess.

Sarah

www.rea.ie
 
Don't get me wrong. I think CAM are a great idea and I am happy that they should be offered at a premium rate given their other benefits. I'm also OK with bank employees not being independent. That's a commercial reality.

BUT... the demo I got assumed that I would have surplus income every month (which is wrong but maybe forgiveable). However, the comparision that they made with a conventional mortgage product assumed that all this spare cash would build up in my account and be left there. In my case, I would have €80k in my current account at the end of the mortgage! (What are the chances?) It's very convenient to assume this when you are selling a CAM as it makes them look better. In the real world, I would either have bought a new car (in which case the CAM would not have benefitted) or put it into my variable mortgage (which would have also made the CAM look comparitively less attractive).

It's not very transparent. I had to look at it twice to see where the huge alleged savings were coming from. There have been mis-selling scandals in the past re endowment mortgages. I do not see a big difference with this.

It's fine for people with enough smarts to see past the sales blurb and decide on the facts. Sure some may be better off with a CAM, but some will not and will be sucked in by a comparision which is unfair.
 
People just need to learn that they should always look at sales pitches (such as this) with all their critical faculties engaged. In the absence of evidence of blatant misselling I don't really blame the tied agents for doing their job.
 
Is it permissible to post a link to the calculator here? If you try it for yourself, I'll get off the soap box.
 
Not too sure of the etiquette - hence the question. Here's the link.

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Download the calculator and try a few scenarios
 
I was asking all sorts of questions about CAM in here this time last year.

After considering various offers (mainly Ulster Bank, First Active and BOI) I decided to go with FirstActive CAM even if they were not the cheapest. I used Karl Jeacle’s calculator, and put in a monthly prepayment of a very optimistic 400 euros a month, which seems to reduce the mortgage term and real interest paid by about 40%. I know I ignored many important parameters in the process (rising interest rates for example), but what appealed to me about CAM compared to pre-paying a ordinary variable-rate mortgage was, as ClubMan mentioned, “no restrictions on variable lump sum prepayments” and as Sarah mentioned, even if you are prepaying it, its accessible to you if you need it. That is, if I have a thousand euro spare sitting around, I can considered it as pre-payment towards the mortgage, but if I need the cash, I don’t need to go back to FA or someone else and take a new loan (at a much higher rate).

However, as the OP posted, the catch is that its really hard to keep money in your “current account” – when you have money sitting around in an account and accessible to you in a moments notice, you starts dreaming about that expensive holiday or the car that you always fancied. Then there are other things like slightly higher interest rate, mortgage protection costs more etc too.

I personally would stick around with the CAM for a while longer till the mortgage balance gets near or around LTV 60% of the property value, where the interest rate gap widens. I have no complaints about the CAM sales pitch either – harsh world, everyone for their own etc etc…
 
I also suggest you read this thread made earlier to see what kind of savings you actually make yearly which is quite small initially.