COVID 19 : the fallout

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What do people think will be the fallout from all this?
How ill it be financed?
I can see some kind of solidarity tax, and the next budget will be painful.
We are all socialists now.
 
If it starts to soften before June the fallout won't be anything like if it continues on from that. After June, the longer it continues the financial fallout may be catastrophic but in poker terms, we're all in at that stage.
 
Wealth taxes and corporations paying their fair share I’d imagine.
Wealthy people paying their fair share? Are you proposing reductions in taxes on them?
I suspect that given the need the State has for money the rich will have to continue to shoulder an unfairly large proportion of taxation but I do admire your spirit of fairness.
 
I would imagine a fair and honest discussion on the shape of our health services?
Will be interesting to see when CV is gone if GP's will continue with not sending people to accident and emergency for non accidents and non emergencies or will they go back to sending people to accident and emergency for non accident and non emergency conditions.
 
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Within a month of government formation there will be an emergency budget. Fortunately the economy had been flying so we’ll be in a good position to borrow.
 
Will be interesting to see when CV is gone if GP's will continue with not sending people to accident and emergency for non accidents and non emergencies or will they go back to sending people to accident and emergency for non accident and non emergency conditions.
It will also be interesting to see if doctors in A&E departments start actually doing their jobs properly and treat people and send them home rather than admitting them to hospital so that they can be discharged by someone else the following day.
 
I would imagine a fair and honest discussion on the shape of our health services?

Unfortunately I just can't see that happening. Too many parties involved who will still prioritise looking after their own interests and I see no prospect of a complete overhaul with a focus on better outcomes for patients and value for money.
 
Unfortunately I just can't see that happening. Too many parties involved who will still prioritise looking after their own interests and I see no prospect of a complete overhaul with a focus on better outcomes for patients and value for money.

It has to happen, ICU beds being just on strand of a crippled service....
 
It has to happen, ICU beds being just on strand of a crippled service....

It had to happen years ago, it didn't....and every time any change was attempted, the same old parties all just put their hands out for more money or better terms. I haven't seen or heard anything lately that suggests it will be any different this time.

What information do you have to suggest we had insufficient ICU beds to meet demand before COVID-19 arrived? If pre-COVID-19 we had sufficient ICU beds to cope with the potential COVID-19 peak, that would have been a massive waste of money.
 
It had to happen years ago, it didn't....and every time any change was attempted, the same old parties all just put their hands out for more money or better terms. I haven't seen or heard anything lately that suggests it will be any different this time.

What information do you have to suggest we had insufficient ICU beds to meet demand before COVID-19 arrived? If pre-COVID-19 we had sufficient ICU beds to cope with the potential COVID-19 peak, that would have been a massive waste of money.

It's well reported that we have insufficient icu beds, DOH 2018 service capacity review recommended 430 beds (based on pre covid19), thus we've only about 50% of ICU consultants we require coupled with dated bed stock and isolation facilities usually occupied by patients with anti biotic resistant infections, increasing ICU beds to 450 is not COVID linked but HSE capacity reviews and other reports/medical experts have concurred with this view



 
You're joking, right?
Ahhh no, not at all. It’s been well reported in the media.
The current Budget 2020 from October 2020 is now complete rubbish. That was based on surpluses every year for the next few years.
instead we’re facing a contraction of 8% this year alone.
 
It's well reported that we have insufficient icu beds, DOH 2018 service capacity review recommended 430 beds (based on pre covid19), thus we've only about 50% of ICU consultants we require coupled with dated bed stock and isolation facilities usually occupied by patients with anti biotic resistant infections, increasing ICU beds to 450 is not COVID linked but HSE capacity reviews and other reports/medical experts have concurred with this view
Yes, because of the issues Loe highlighted. We spend more than enough on our Public Healthcare system but the people who work in it, through their resistance to change, cause a large proportion of it to be wasted. They are the reason for the lack of beds, the people on trolleys and premature deaths.
Every health Minister and government for the last 30 years can't have been incompetent, corrupt and/or ideologically bankrupt.
 
Ahhh no, not at all. It’s been well reported in the media.
The current Budget 2020 from October 2020 is now complete rubbish. That was based on surpluses every year for the next few years.
instead we’re facing a contraction of 8% this year alone.
Yes, but the national debt is massive and still increasing. Just how much more should we sell out our children and grandchildren in order to avoid facing the consequences of our own greed and stupidity?
We need to do the things we needed to do 10 years ago; broaden the tax base and proportionally reduce the taxes on wealth creation (work) by having things like water charges and property tax but I refer you to my previous comment about stupidity and greed and add selfishness.
 
Yes, but the national debt is massive and still increasing. Just how much more should we sell out our children and grandchildren in order to avoid facing the consequences of our own greed and stupidity?
The COVID-19 crisis is not of our making.
 
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