Court orders demolition of family home
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There was one up the road from us about ten years ago, Wicklow CC made them demolish and clear the site.
They stalled for a year or two but in the end the courts threatened them with jail.
I guess people don't believe it'll go that far, we seem to have a retention culture.
It's extraordinary that the CC didn't intervene in the present case before the house was finished.
They stalled for a year or two but in the end the courts threatened them with jail.
I guess people don't believe it'll go that far, we seem to have a retention culture.
It's extraordinary that the CC didn't intervene in the present case before the house was finished.
It sounds terrible for them having to do this but why would somebody build a house without planning permission in the first place. They must have known there would be consequences. Also it seems as though they went double the size of what was turned down already so they really took things into their own hands. I really feel sorry for them and wonder would a fine not be better than making them knock it now.
I think I heard of something like this before too.
Have to say I have no sympathy for them at all. They broke the law and acted, imo, with arrogance and stupidity in building a house twice the size after being refused by the council and on appeal by An Bord Pleanala.
Have to say I have no sympathy for them at all. They broke the law and acted, imo, with arrogance and stupidity in building a house twice the size after being refused by the council and on appeal by An Bord Pleanala.
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Meanwhile the rest of us eejits have to endlessly tick boxes and cross Ts just to make minor changes.
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z104
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Nice house.
I wonder why it was refused permission in the first place?
If refused for a really great reason and for the greater good then tough but if refused for someting trivial or minor enough in the grand scheme of things then they should be allowed to keep it.
The law has been known to be an ass on occasion.
I wonder why it was refused permission in the first place?
If refused for a really great reason and for the greater good then tough but if refused for someting trivial or minor enough in the grand scheme of things then they should be allowed to keep it.
The law has been known to be an ass on occasion.
If it had been refused for a minor reason, then that reason could be resolved by the applicant (e.g. moving the entrance there, getting rid of that window there etc.) or could be dealt with by way of Permission for Retention.
The fact that this ended up in court indicates that the planning issue with the house is so significant that it could not be resolved by seeking Retention Permission.
You would be surprised at just how insignificant some planning issues are, but some planners can get like a dog with a bone and you have to tip toe around them so as not to end any chance of ever getting permission.
I don't agree with people just firing ahead and building, but the inconsistency in the planning offices has to be addressed at some time.
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Couldnt agree more. I know numerous people who have had planning refused on silly reasons, and were later able to get approval due to a change in staff, an intervention by a politician, or just a huge amount of pestering.
"The 6,229sq.ft house (588sq.m) is more than twice the size of a previous planning application submitted by the couple for which permission was refused."
This is some three times the size of an average 4 bed detached dwelling. They hardly made a mistake building it that size. Arrogance indeed.
This is some three times the size of an average 4 bed detached dwelling. They hardly made a mistake building it that size. Arrogance indeed.
I don't. They got refused for planning. They then built a house twice the size of the initial refusal.
That house must have cost at least €600K to build. Seeing as the couple did not have planning permission I cannot see how they got a mortgage. So, on that basis, that's €650K in cash they had lying about. Did they think that they didn't need to conform to the rules like the rest of us who have to borrow from the bank and satisfy the planners conditions?
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Whether they had to borrow for it or not is neither here nor there.
It is insofar as if it was being built on borrowed money, it is unlikely that it would have been built at all given lenders' not unreasonable requirement, that one have planning permission.
+ 1, blatant disregard for the rules that the rest of us have to follow,
what made them think that they were special and could do as they liked?
Whether the law/planning regulations are right or wrong they are the law of the land and people who brazenly ignore it should be punished.
Fair point Purple, and Niallers too. When reading it back it does smack of both. I never intended to gloat.
My point is that if they were like the rest of us and had to get a mortgage then this would never have reached this unfortunate end as a bank would have put a stop to the illegal act a long time ago.
My point is that if they were like the rest of us and had to get a mortgage then this would never have reached this unfortunate end as a bank would have put a stop to the illegal act a long time ago.
+1 So many friends have been put through constant rejection for years as a result of some ass in the planning office. A friend finished house last year following three years of nonsense with planning office. In the end council insisted on the exact type of hedging allowed, fencing etc all of which she complied with. Council even insisted that she had a particular hardwood in windows i.e no pvc so she spent a lot of money getting these particular windows. Low and behold since then, four houses in her immediate environs have been built, all of which have pvc windows, no exceptions and no problems with planning. I would love somebody to explain why this is?
The house the guys in Navan built was ridiculous in that it was far too big, if they were going ahead without planning then they should have built something akin to the original plans or smaller, that said I completely understand the frustration involved in trying to get through to these people and I can understand why enough was enough!
"It's all about who you know" applies to planning permission more than anything else IMO. The process should be a lot more transparent and it shouldn't take a change in staff or a word with a local politician to get approval. Is it any wonder we have had such bad planning decisions in the recent past?