Brendan Burgess
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Agree with all that but why wait until the middle of January? Why not the start? Or December? Why not just pay the whole mortgage off in the first month and not pay any interest at all? Ridiculous articles by the Irish Times. Most people, I presume, pay their mortgage each month as soon as they get paid. These articles are confusing and mis-leading.To save people reading this long thread, I have amended my original reply.
Are these numbers correct?
300,000 @ 5% for 30 years will result in a monthly repayment of €1610.46
If you pay €805 in the middle of January, instead of at the end of January, you will save €1.55 in interest. If you do this every month in the year, you will save €18.57 that year. In other words, your mortgage will be €18.57 lower at the end of that year.You can round this up to €20 to allow for interest on interest saved.
This is the correct way of looking at it.
Poor, poor journalism from the Irish Times I'm afraid.
To be fair to Conor Pope, his stuff is usually good.
I am assuming that finance is not his area of expertise. He checked with Frank Conway and Karl Deeter and he must have misunderstood them.
I assume that the artice was checked by someone else or referred to one of their financial journalists. It's odd that they did not pick this up.
Brendan
But most people's mortgage repayment probably comes out of a current account earning almost zero interest (as Brendan said above).
I agree that the article overeggs the potential saving and is misleading, but I'm quite happy to pay my NIB tracker in twice-monthly (not fortnightly) payments. The first payment comes out a day or two after I get paid, the second a few days after all my DDs and my credit card. There's no extra "hassle" involved, and it saves me a few quid. It certainly beats watching my balance and moving funds from an interest-earning account into my current account only as needed, which is what you seem (?) to be suggesting as the alternative.
Mixed messages on paying mortgages fortnightly
A mealy mouthed response to a flawed article, focussing on a side issue - that banks won't facilitate something that has no saving - rather than the substantive issue - the article was wrong and misleading, there is no saving.
Switching to fortnightly is fine for someone paid fortnightly but it will be very messy for someone paid monthly as the payment dates will move from month to month and you will have some months (2 per year) where 3 fortnights worth of payments (ie pretty much 1.5 times the monthly mortgage amount) will be deducted which I think most people will be unprepared for. And if someone paid monthly has enough to pay 3 fortnights worth in one month, they should pay the whole lot the day they get paid - not let it sit there waiting for the deductions 2 and 4 weeks later. What a mess.
You would save more money by paying monthly the day after you get paid and, twice a year (or whenever you've got the money planned and handy), paying the extra 2 payments worth - also the day you get paid. NIB's online banking is excellent making it very easy to transfer the extra payments from current account to mortgage.I am paid monthly.
I pay my mortgage every two weeks, 26 repayments pa.
I chose this so as to repay the loan quicker and pay less interest. NIB offer the facility, no problem.
Yes, correct, you have to watch out for the timing of the three payments in two months. I plan ahead for that.
Conor Pope was on the Ray D'Arcy Show this morning apologising and explaining the error. In fairness to the guy, he made a mistake and it's just unfortunate that his mistake is read by tens of thousands of people and then heard by thousands more on the radio
I think what's even more interesting is that it highlights people's general lack of understanding of how interest works. I see it constantly on these pages where people overcomplicate how interest works and get tie themselves up in knots.
Just as a test, say you are on a tracker that is 3% lower than your friend's variable rate mortgage. If you both have a €300k mortgage you'll be 3% of €300k or €9k better off over this year alone. Simple.
If you are both repaying this over 20 years, your repayments will only be €5k lower but you'll also have paid €4k more off the capital.
How many people will happily accept that you are €9k better off over a single year? How many more will say you are only €5k better off? How many more again will tie themselves up in knots trying to solve a problem they've made unnecessarily complicated?
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