Didn't realise that. Thought the whole point of benchmarking was to bring public sector pay into line with the private sector. What the hell does does benchmarking public sector worker against public sector worker acheive? So it's even more rubbish a process than I thought it was. Wow.
People don't understand benchmarking because they never bothered to explain it.
What most people don't seem to realise is how benchmarking in the public sector works.
On a point of information, the Benchmarking process relates to the Public Service (Civil Service and Public Services such as Teachers, Guards, Health Professionals, Local Authorities). The Benchmarking process does not apply to other parts of the Public Sector notably the commercial semi state sector.
is that not an oxymoron?commercial semi state sector
so they only saw 1 or maximum 2 patients a day when if it was a private service believe me they would have been seeing around 6 or 7.
Would that be so that they can get over to the Blackrock Clinic for their real days work before the traffic gets too bad?Consultants in general medicine will often start the day at 8am in order to fit in Ward Rounds with their other duties,
I cannot believe this was a clinical service.................I have worked in both General Medicine and in Psychiatry and NOBODY would ever dream of getting away with that level of seeing patients. Psychiatrists in the public health service will see about 15 patients in a morning's clinic. Psychiatrists in the private health service will see less - more time for each patient. Consultants in general medicine will often start the day at 8am in order to fit in Ward Rounds with their other duties, and I don't think anyone takes an hours lunch break, and 5.30 would be an early finish. Can you give a little more information without identifying the place?
Wouldn't it be nice if we could just stick to the facts. From the [broken link removed] - Section 24, employee costsI agree. With average wages in the ESB of €80'000 a year (and over €100'000 in some stations) who are they going to be benchmarked against?
And of course, payroll cost is a completely different metric to salary, as it includes PRSI (employee & employer) and pension contributions.payroll cost per employee was €95K per employee according to that report.
And of course, payroll cost is a completely different metric to salary, as it includes PRSI (employee & employer) and pension contributions.
Given that about 30-35% of the payroll cost comes immediately back to the state in the form of tax/PRSI, perhaps we should show the effective total payroll cost as around €60k per employee?
Thats an average, in the power generation part wages average 80k+. The average would include lots of lower paid contract staff and apprentice electricians etc.Wouldn't it be nice if we could just stick to the facts. From the [broken link removed] - Section 24, employee costs
Total number of employees; 8,292
Total salary costs; €537,047k
Average salary is therefore: €64.76k, quite a distance from €80k
But let's not let the facts get in the way of a good lynching.....
THanks for highlighting my point yet again. Given that the state is the employer, and the state gets back 30%-40% of the total cost of employment through tax & PRSI, the 'what it costs to get a guy sitting at a desk' figure is much lower than the headline cost.Rainyday, no employer in the private sector gives a damn about how much their employees take home as salary. They only care about what it costs to get a guy sitting at a desk or whatever working productively for them.
Source?in the power generation part wages average 80k+.
Rainyday, no employer in the private sector gives a damn about how much their employees take home as salary. They only care about what it costs to get a guy sitting at a desk or whatever working productively for them.
That's the reason why my last company retrenched from Ireland and the reason I was sent to India for my current company to train Indian colleagues to do the job I previously did. €95K average per employee is way too much for the ESB.
For the average manufacturing industry, the cost of electricity would be pretty insignificant when compared against the cost of labour. Indeed, the labour component of the cost of electricity (as opposed to the fuel component of the cost of electricity) would be even less significant than the cost of labour. Let's not fall for the IBEC/ISME scapegoating spin.Well said, good point. Part of the reason 5000 manufacturing jobs left Ireland in the recent past was because of uncompetitive overheads like electricity. No wonder our electricity costs so much more than most if not all other countries when ESB costs are €95K average per employee.
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