Can you keep a cat outdoors to deter rats?

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Can anyone advise me on whether its worthwhile getting a cat and keeping it outdoors in an attempt to deter rats?

We don't want an animal inside due to small kids. If we got a cat and fed it outside would it stay on our property or whats to stop it wandering off and "moving in" with someone else?

What would we need to do in terms of giving it shelter etc to keep it around and is it really possible to keep it out of the house?

Thanks
 
We had a cat we got when it was a few weeks old, died last year aged 15 years. She was never allowed in the house, put a cat flap on the shed door where she had a cat basket. Fed her dried cat food and water every day and leftover meat or fish from our dinner, she was always in perfect health. She would wander around the general neighbourhood but always returned home.

We never had a rat problem and still don’t but what I have noticed since she died is we now have birds back in the garden.
 
Toby, I have grown up with cats, and knowing them, if they get shelter in someone elses house, they won't come back to you. Most cats (unless feral) would like to be indoors with a bit of heat.

A cat I've had for two years adopted me by coming into my house through my cat flap and helping itself to food on a regular basis. Soon afterwards it started curling up on my bed at night. I only found the owner after a year of it staying in my house and he gave me permission to keep it. Cats tend to go where its most comfortable.

Why wouldn't you keep it indoors with young children? That's not usually a problem. I think it's good for children to grow up around animals.
 
Why wouldn't you keep it indoors with young children? That's not usually a problem. I think it's good for children to grow up around animals.


Maybe if we can get the right cat it could be indoors but how can you tell in advance?

We owned a cat in teh past before we had kids that was very aggressive and ruled the house so we're very very wary!!

I agree animals are great for kids but we're v v v busy minding the kids so can't really take on a lot of extra responsibility at the moment, hence can't get a dog which we'd prefer over a cat.

If you've any tips for picking a sociable easy going cat I'd be interested as thats what it comes down to. Thanks!
 
It's sometimes hard to gauge a cat's temperament but usually if you get a kitten from a cat that is very domesticated, and also when it's quite young (around the 12 week mark) and integrate it into the family straight away, you shouldn't have any problems.

If you get a kitten from a cat that's feral, even if you get it young, they tend to stay feral too.

If you know the history of the mother and if she is fairly placid, it should be ok.
 
Oh, and if you get a male cat, make sure you get it neutered as this makes them very placid.

I have a big tom cat for the last 16 years who is an absolute charm. We can even rub his tummy. Though I wouldn't recommend doing this with every cat!!!
 
Get a young kitten and feed her well for first few months, so that she knows where home is. Plenty of petting and handling too to tame her. Try confine her for first 2-3 weeks with some netting or large planks in a patio or such area. Make sure its a female, better hunters imo. Give her a small cat box to sleep in, or on as in our case, as ours never seem to take the shelter we give them even in the snow when they had access to a boiler house. Might be best to get 2 sisters if you can but the critical point is have them spayed by a vet or 2 will quickly become 20(at about 6 months old). Its the only responsible thing to do. They will stray off. Its their nature. Should always come back if you get the first 3 weeks right. Less trips away when spayed and also no visiting Tom cats as no heats. Once established feed max once a day and small amounts. They can get very lazy if overfed and will not hunt rodents then. 1st year dont expect too many rats as the cats are still small. but should be lots of mice and shrews. Expect many fewer garden birds too and a few dead ones, a hard price to pay actually. Remember they may present the kill to you at your front door, you being their master!!!! Other that the above... easiest pet in the world to keep. Get it right for 3 weeks and you are away.
 
It's sometimes hard to gauge a cat's temperament but usually if you get a kitten from a cat that is very domesticated, and also when it's quite young (around the 12 week mark) and integrate it into the family straight away, you shouldn't have any problems.

If you get a kitten from a cat that's feral, even if you get it young, they tend to stay feral too.

If you know the history of the mother and if she is fairly placid, it should be ok.


So this would discourage me from getting a rescue where you don't know hte background - thats a pity. The crazy cat we had years ago was a rescue though so I am put off rescues a bit because of him also!
 
Get a young kitten and feed her well for first few months, so that she knows where home is. Plenty of petting and handling too to tame her. Try confine her for first 2-3 weeks with some netting or large planks in a patio or such area.

Thanks, are you saying keep her inside for 3 weeks or just confined in garden? Will there not be a lot of complaining when shes left to fend more for herself after the 3 weeeks of comfort though?
 
Well I'm sure that's not the case with all rescue cats, thought I had a couple of awful experiences myself with them. I had to get a couple of them put down as they were extremely traumatised. Absolutely terrified of people and going to the toilet everywhere, even thought a litter tray was there for them. The vet said I was doing the right thing putting them down (as myself and my son were extremely upset about it) as they could never be rehomed.

You are taking your chances with them, even if they are young, as you don't know the history of the mother, so if you want to make sure to get the most non aggressive cat possible you would be best knowing the background.

Beaky's advise is very useful. Loads of handling is right. Kids will love having a kitten around, though you will have to be very careful if their handling of them if very young kids. They will get scratched if very rough.
 
We have 2 cats that are never indoors. We don't let them into the house for hygiene reasons, especially with kids. Before our 1st cat got the snip snip he wandered but he stays around now. We put a cat flap on the boiler house door, it's snug enough in there during the winter!
 
I'd be reluctant to let a cat, who's primary duty is to deter rats, into the house, especially with young children. Is there a chance of it catching a rat and dragging it back to the house?
 
The feral cat that we feed sits and eats her food and relaxes also while the mice in the shed watch :D Don't depend on the cat being a worker just because you feed it.
 
when a cat sits on the floor, it is wiping its rear end on it, then your kid crawls there.
 
Introducing a kids immune system to a cat has so far done no harm to me or my family.
Pregnant women can have problems, but they're very rare.
Observe your own cleanliness regime.
The cats will observe theirs.

And don't let be getting too precious about cat contact.
We're rapidly becoming a species with immune problems from being too "clean".

Remember - all animals which can lick their butts do so - dogs are the worst of all - they lick *everything*.
Yet when was the last time you saw someone having caniptions when a dog expressed its slobbery affection.

One thing with small kids is that they need to become aware of a cats moods and you need to teach them to sense these.
Otherwise they can get scratched if they don't back off when the cate tells them too, usually be swishing its tail.
Don't allow babies near cats - cats tend to react badly to having their fur, ears and/or tails pulled.

Also be wary of scratching the tummy of an unknown cat.
Most cats adore this from a known human, but many are wary if they don't know you.
This can result in them swiftly changing from stretching luxuriously to leaping up with back arched, spitting and hissing.

Even with a known cat and a known human you can sometimes see the cat go into mouse-killing mode.
This is where they hug the humans hand like a mouse and pummel it with their hind paws.

Cats are warm blooded animals and express affection.
Most times this is done by rubbing their cheeks against you and scenting you are THEIR human.

Be wary of love nips.
Some cats can get VERY affectionate and give you love nips.
These can be sore to an adult but they can give a child a nasty fright.

Cats "knead" humans to express pleasure just as kittens knead their mothers to produce milk.
In both cases the claws are extended, which can try the staunchest male tummy or chest but seldom draws blood.

And yes, when they settle on you and are VERY happy and purring like a sewing machine their noses can run.

:)

(sigh)

I miss my cats.

ONQ.
 
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