TheBigShort
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That contradicts just about everything else you've posted on this thread.
Okay, so you don't understand opportunity cost.Well if someone living on minimum wage full-time is earning €20,000, they are contributing to the economy through VAT when they spend, typically, near 100% of that income. If they pay Rent Differential (say a further €500 pa). That's about €3,000 a year that returns out of €20,000 income back to the state each year.
Depending on who you listen to, the cost of a 3 bed house is €180-€330k to construct. Taking the €330k cost, and considering the property will plausibly last 100yrs (minimum), then that works out at a cost of €3,300 pa for the State.
So a social housing tenant that is working minimum wage is reliant on the state to the tune of about €300 a year, for housing. Between 2million tax payers that works out at the princely sum each to be about €0.00015c per year for you per year. With some 150,000 local authority housing that costs about €22.50 per year each to provide housing to thousands of people and families who need shelter.
Even if you were to double that to include maintenance and repairs over the 100yrs it is still a paltry amount.
Can you cope with that? Is this what gets you up on your high horse?
On the otherhand, someone earning €80,000k who can well afford to pay for their own place would be paying a lot more in income tax, USC, and Rent Differential. They would be paying far in excess of what it costs the State to provide the house. There is no subsidy here. For this they get to live in local authority housing, which one third of homeless refuse to live in (so high is the quality of the housing and standard of living) paying in excess of the cost of the house and they get nothing in return.
Okay, so you don't understand opportunity cost.They are paying income taxes that go toward the cost of that housing, they pay Rent Differential or pay in accordance with Affordable Housing scheme. There is no subsidy.
Well if someone living on minimum wage full-time is earning €20,000, they are contributing to the economy through VAT when they spend, typically, near 100% of that income. If they pay Rent Differential (say a further €500 pa). That's about €3,000 a year that returns out of €20,000 income back to the state each year.
Depending on who you listen to, the cost of a 3 bed house is €180-€330k to construct. Taking the €330k cost, and considering the property will plausibly last 100yrs (minimum), then that works out at a cost of €3,300 pa for the State.
So a social housing tenant that is working minimum wage is reliant on the state to the tune of about €300 a year, for housing. Between 2million tax payers that works out at the princely sum each to be about €0.00015c per year for you per year. With some 150,000 local authority housing that costs about €22.50 per year each to provide housing to thousands of people and families who need shelter.
Even if you were to double that to include maintenance and repairs over the 100yrs it is still a paltry amount.
Can you cope with that? Is this what gets you up on your high horse?
On the otherhand, someone earning €80,000k who can well afford to pay for their own place would be paying a lot more in income tax, USC, and Rent Differential. They would be paying far in excess of what it costs the State to provide the house. There is no subsidy here. For this they get to live in local authority housing, which one third of homeless refuse to live in (so high is the quality of the housing and standard of living) paying in excess of the cost of the house and they get nothing in return.
You're wasting your time, just as I'm wasting mine.Oh come on!! You are smarter than that economic argument.....Why doesn't the State just buy everyone a house if it only costs €300 a year?? Seriously....
You're wasting your time, just as I'm wasting mine.
Maybe I should stop rising to such nonsensical arguments.
Okay, so you don't understand opportunity cost.
Oh come on!! You are smarter than that economic argument.....Why doesn't the State just buy everyone a house if it only costs €3000 a year?? Seriously....
At least we are living in a society where these views are firmly in the minority and history is littered with failed socialist and communist regimes!
Organised movement of people? Are you for real? People move home all of the time in the rental sector.The last time there was organized movement of people was when Hitler and Stalin were in charge.
So there's no opportunity cost in spending money in one area instead of another, in spending money which would otherwise generate a return which could be spent helping the most vulnerable in society?There is no opportunity cost if the public policy, formed through democratic structures, can provide for housing that will, over time, return the cost of that housing to the State.
People move home all of the time in the rental sector.
Organised movement of people?
Where does he say that people who can afford to provide their own home should be given a council house?Fintan O’Toole explains it better than I ever could;
So there's no opportunity cost in spending money in one area instead of another, in spending money which would otherwise generate a return which could be spent helping the most vulnerable in society?
Where does he say that people who can afford to provide their own home should be given a council house?
Where does he say that those who can afford to pay market rates should get subsidised rents from the State?
He also ignores the fact that it is desirable for people to provide their own homes if they can afford
we are 3 to 4 times better off than in the 1950's and 60's so people can afford their own homes
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