bearishbull said:dunphy was his usual self ,arguing for the sake of it and looking for more attention to keep his profile/image up.
beattie said:Dunphy picked the wrong target IMO, McWilliams has been railing against high house prices for longer than I care to remember. Agree that McWilliams was quite long winded and his idea about getting a contract for us to sign is ludicrous.
Bit sick and tired of hearing Dunphy going on about opression leading to corruption. It doesn't have to be that way
gearoidmm said:At any given time 10-20% of beds in the public hospitals are taken up by elderly people waiting long term care. There's nothing specifically wrong with them except that they can't manage at home anymore and need a nursing home bed. The average waiting time in Dublin is 6-12 months during which time the bed is blocked and people are sitting on trolleys in A/E.
That said, (and I'm not suggesting this is the reason) it is much cheaper to have a person in the bed doing nothing but waiting for placement than having someone whose acutely unwell needing lots of expensive tests.
your bang on there,we spend 50%more per person than the nhs plus we have a massive private health care sector which is much greater per capita than other countries.Purple said:One in every 20 people who work in this country works in the health service. We have a young population so the argument that we are under spending in comparison to greying Europe does not stand up. There has been an increase of at least 60% in the number of people employed in the health service over the last 10 years. At the same time funding has gone up by more than 100%. What return have we had on our investment? A 4% increase in bed capacity and anecdotally deterioration in the quality of service. The problems with the health service will not be fixed with more money alone. The people who run it and work in it and local pressure groups that hold up reforms that are in the national interest are part of the problem (that is not to say that they do not work hard or that their hearts are not in the right place). The problem is that the people who are charged with fixing it do not have enough power to do what is needed. Any proposals will be watered down and twisted to suit the re-election needs of the local TD in a marginal seat until they are useless.
I would suggest that it is the reason. It is a way of hospitals keeping their costs down. That leads on to the debate about whether finding should follow the patient or the patient follow the funding and that's a whole new thread.gearoidmm said:That said, (and I'm not suggesting this is the reason) it is much cheaper to have a person in the bed doing nothing but waiting for placement than having someone whose acutely unwell needing lots of expensive tests.
Purple said:One in every 20 people who work in this country works in the health service. We have a young population so the argument that we are under spending in comparison to greying Europe does not stand up. There has been an increase of at least 60% in the number of people employed in the health service over the last 10 years. At the same time funding has gone up by more than 100%. What return have we had on our investment? A 4% increase in bed capacity and anecdotally deterioration in the quality of service. The problems with the health service will not be fixed with more money alone. The people who run it and work in it and local pressure groups that hold up reforms that are in the national interest are part of the problem (that is not to say that they do not work hard or that their hearts are not in the right place). The problem is that the people who are charged with fixing it do not have enough power to do what is needed. Any proposals will be watered down and twisted to suit the re-election needs of the local TD in a marginal seat until they are useless.
Gordanus said:.... main problem with the Irish Health sytem is that it was crucified in the 80s and the necessary money has never been invested since to bring it up to speed.
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