Duke of Marmalade
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I think you should refresh your understanding. The processing power is driven by the incentive to mine new coins. Halving the incentive could in no way of itself attract more processing power.“Wolfie Tone said:As much as I do understand it, it is that as the block reward has halved that the nodes/miners require more processing power to validate the blocks and earn the rewards. Or in short, it hardens the network against hacking, fraud, centralised control,
Tonight's homework.@WolfeTone It was refreshing for me to read the skeptics. My conviction that crypto is 100% irrational is confirmed.
Hat's off to you Dukey. I have no doubt whatsoever but that you are risk averse and fiscally conservative. I mean, the strength of your conviction couldn't even extend to the price of a couple of pints.I shorted btc in early 2018 at 14,000 and got out a few weeks later at 8,000 for a not life changing profit. I haven't dabbled since and I am not tempted now for the reasons reflected in the quotes supplied by Brendan in #33.
Are there any respected economists making the case for bitcoin?
Quickpengiuin said:Unfortunately, there are some notable bad points.
- Saifedean Ammous is an academic, which shows itself in his writing. He could have easily cut 50 pages from this book with some moderate editing (especially in the middle of the book).
- Saifedean Ammous has an obvious dislike for Keynes and Keynesian economics. The venom spills from the page, which really distracts from the argument he was attempting to make. It just wasn’t needed.
- At one point, Saifedean Ammous rants about how art has been tainted by Keynesian policies, which encourage high time preference (i.e. short-terminism). It’s an absolutely absurd section and something that should have never made the final cut.
- Saifedean Ammous argues that Bitcoin (BTC) could be an international settlement currency in the future. It’s an interesting idea, but I would have liked to have seen a fleshed-out exploration of this possible future.
I particularly draw attention to the last point. The idea that EU contributions to the budget or US arms sales to Saudi Arabia could be paid in bitcoin is for the birds. So yes I am unimpressed by the witnesses for the defence.
that there is no substantial school of economic thought which supports bitcoin.
Not sure what to make of that but I take it that it seems to imply that a Professor of Economics has no more authority to comment on bitcoin than, say, a carpenter. Let's agree to disagree on that one.@Duke of Marmalade Bitcoin is technology. First and foremost that is what it is.
What value, in monetary terms, is derived from bitcoin and the price attributable to that value is the economic side. Keynesian, Monetarism, Austrian, Classical, Marxism etc are all abstract political concepts of how economies, the resources within, should be run to greatest efficiency. They provide the theoretical basis why their way is the best way. Those agreeing certain generalities on a broad basis form a 'school of economic thought'.
Economists are not technologists, they are not physicists, biologists, carpenters, civil engineers, administrators, computer programmers, hairdressers, chefs etc, etc.
A chef is better placed to know if a new recipe, or a certain restaurant ambience will likely serve as additional value to a business than an economist.
A hairdresser is better placed to know if a new hairstyle or coloring product will likely serve as additional value to a business than an economist.
An administrator is better placed to know if a new process or procedure will likely serve as additional value to a business than an economist.
Etc, etc.
I agree with the professor, so let's again agree to disagree.Roubini proclaims it has no utility, that is his entitlement. I disagree.
I agree with the professor that bitcoin is not a currency. Let's agree to disagree.I consider bitcoin to be a hard form of money and fiat to be a softer form of money.
I'm a bit rusty on monetary dynamics. The Russian rouble has a current interest rate in excess of 6%, the euro interest rate is negative. I'll take your word for it that the rouble is a harder currency than the euro.The lower the interest rate, the softer the fiat currency. If interest rates rise, it signifies a reduction in supply of currency. Money then becomes more expensive to borrow, and the holder can extract a rental payment in savings. The higher the interest rate, the harder the currency.
Money is the life blood of our economy. I have no problem leaving its management to experts subject of course to general guidelines. Just as I would have no problem leaving public health policy to the experts.The big problem however with monetary policy as I see it, is that other than the knights of the high central bank table, no-one, gets to decide how this currency is managed.
Yes we live in a very complex society. The UK/EU FTA runs to 1,300 pages. The idea that our economy would run more efficiently if we just had a fixed money supply and no monetary management is nigh eve in the extreme.But that is not the case, not at all. Policies are changed, bailouts are granted, stimuli injected, pension funds raided, savings confiscated, currency printed, interest rates reduced, etc - all done in the name of preserving the value of the currency.
I have my doubts also but do not see any insurance in the wildly speculative crypto space.It remains to be seen how successful the policy management will be. I have little confidence.
Let's agree to disagree.So bitcoin provides utility
John Kelleher, an ardent bitcoin supporter, states that the only utility that bitcoin can possibly acquire is as a medium of exchange. I think you have conceded that bitcoin has made no progress in this respect, as in this quote:Roubini needs to be called out when he says it has no utility and no use case. This is factually incorrect.
...the closer it will become to being a widespread mainstream medium of exchange, but I think that is a long way off yet.
I take it that it seems to imply that a Professor of Economics has no more authority to comment on bitcoin than, say, a carpenter.
A lot of what the entrepreneurs are saying goes over my head,
the entrepreneurs are speaking of concepts that Roubini is not grasping at all.
That is hilarious.
It strongly suggests that there is nothing at all in what the entrepreneurs are saying.
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