Best City/Country in Europe to Live in

Zapatista

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Hello One and All,

I am currently living in the UK and I am growing more certain with each passing moment that these days neither the UK or Ireland are the best places to live in Europe.

Therefore my question is:

Based on experience what do people feel is the best city/country in Europe to live in in terms of:

Health Care
Standard of Living
Safety within the Community
Social Factors
Environmental Factors
Business Opportunities
Education

I have often thought that Denmark or Switzerland would be good places to live. Thisis based on what I have read rather than Experience.

All advice Appreciated as always,

Zapa.
 
I'd be interested to hear peoples answers to this too, especially those who have experience of living in mainland europe...

Although the loyalty shown so far to one's own turf is admirable! ;)
 
Im located in Zurich (from Dublin) and I would recommend zurich, switzerland.

Health Care

In general direct tax is very low here but they do have indirect taxes. Health care is mandatory indirect tax. It is more expensive home. I was spending about 60 euro a month on VHI before and now I spend about 200chf (approx 130 euro) on health care. The healthcare system though is excellent and works, I have had cause to use it and small things (like never waiting) make a big difference. My health insurance also subsidizes my gym membership, pays for my acupuncture and also provides other non - medical preventative treatments like medical pedicures. So while Im paying more (than double) than home I do actively get more value.

Direct + indirect taxes here work out lower for me than taxes at home.


Standard of Living

Excellent. Skiing in winter, sun in summer. The lake side culture in summer in lovely here. People are always surprised that the swiss do well in water sports (beach volley ball in olympics, sailing etc) but there is a big water culture here with all the lakes. Outdoor cinema in summer, barbeques by the lakeside, hikes. In winter its possible to ski every weekend. Zurich is small and public transport is excellent so my commute into work is very straightforward. I currently live 12 mins from my office, none of my peers have difficult commutes.

Safety within the Community

The swiss are not very "social" in outlook. It is said that rather than address "the drug problem" they just give addicts drugs so they dont break into their mercs. I dont know how true that is, what I do know is that its safe to walk around at night. My mum and dad were visiting recently and dad couldnt believe when a jogger hung his (expensive looking) jacket on a tree as he went to jog around the park, dad couldnt believe someone wouldnt nick it. My husband (swiss) leaves his bike unlocked outside our house. Children walk to school on their own.

Social Factors

can you give me specific examples that you are looking for here. I would say the swiss are more commercial rather than social in their outlook. Something that bothers a lot of expats is the "silence " on sunday. If you live in an appartment block you technically should not hoover/diy/recycle/run appliances or do anything generates a lot of noise. All shops are closed here on sundays. Im very used to this now and it makes you go and do something with your sunday (like hike or ski) as you cant do all your washing or your shopping.

Environmental Factors

Very environmentally friendly, though all the different bins can drive you loo-lah after a while. You dont really need a car here (certainly if you live in Zurich or the major cities). Its hard not to be environmentally friendly here, they are kind of ott in this area.

Business Opportunities

If you work in IT or finance you'd get a job/visa here in the morning. Other opportunities are good too, however you must bear in mind that language issue, so for example a friend of mine came over with his girlfriend, she is ahving problems getting work as she's a beautician and you need the local language (swiss german here) to do this.

Education

Again, if you can be more specific here. Are you talking about kids? Or for yourself? Children start school here at 6. At intercert level the school breaks out into 2 sections one which is "trade school" in nature where kids go to become teachers, electricians, carpenters, nurses etc. the other which is university driven where you do a leaving cert type exam. For adults (evening courses) The major supermarket here migros runs a subsidized school here for adults where you do all sorts of courses (from german to DIY to yoga). Ive go to this school in the evenings to brush up my italian and ramp up my German. Friends of mine are doing Phds here in the ETH (zurich university) and love it.

So thats a brief insight into my experience of CH. I highly recommend it. Ask more specific questions if you wish. I do love Ireland too, I miss my family but I love it here as well. I consider myself very lucky to call both countries my home.
 
Health care in Cork isn't exactly a sure thing at the moment is it?

Come on folks, if you are going to recommend a place to live, at least try to address some of the areas that the OP has mentioned in your replies.
 
That's exactly what I was looking for casiopea,

Sounds like a great place, as I imagined it would be !
 
Health care in Cork isn't exactly a sure thing at the moment is it?

Come on folks, if you are going to recommend a place to live, at least try to address some of the areas that the OP has mentioned in your replies.
When you get to my age the most important aspects of health care is proximity to emergency services and I think that we have one of the better emergency hospitals in the country and reasonably clear roads to get you there on time at any time of the day.
Our weather is the best in the country. I was shocked last week when I was sitting in bright warm sunshine to see a news report from up the country with snow on the ground.
If you buy just on the southside of Douglas you can live within 5 minutes of an international airport and great schools and great shopping and still be living in the countryside.
I have never (nor has any body that I actually know or any family member) been the victim of crime.
 
Please allow me to add to CCOVICH's point.

I am only interested in people's experiences of living in cities/countries within Europe exluding the UK and Ireland.

Being Irish and having lived in the UK for some time I feel I am more than aware of the Pro's and Con's of each.

I am looking specificaly for personal experience from people who have lived in Mainand European such as the excellent post from casiopea.

I did feel my Original Post was quite clear.

Zapa.
 
Zapa

I haven't lived in Denmark but my Danish colleague gave me some shocking statistics a few weeks ago. Tax rates there start at around 50% and go to 67%.

For that obviously you get healthcare, childcare etc. but seems to me that moving to Denmark is best seen as a long term investment decision.

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i've lived in france and austria (and others outside europe) and have recently moved back to france after 7 years in dublin.

For me, France would be no 1 for health care, standard of living, good weather, healthy lifestyle (skiing, summer sports), healthy eating, generally having a good time and living well.

of course when i say france i mean rural france, i think all cities have big city problems.

the negatives are employment and taxes (for us, so far, no problem, OH has a decent job and we pay very little taxes because we have 3 children and we get lots of credits for that). But if you are living here in the country with no job, your outlook is fairly poor.

education: so far so good, i like the french system, i think it has points in common with irish in number of subjects, pressure at years towards doing the bac. i know many english don't like it and say the kids are not taught to think, but just to learn by rote. the school year is broken up in longer christmas/easter chunks and then the summer hols are shorter, suits us. some schools have now opted for 4 day week and kids have wednesdays off until they are about 12 (but schools vary in these points). you can specialise too at age 14 which is great, many of the local kids can do their "leaving cert" specialising in agriculture or viticulture or catering or car mechanics or jazz!

safety: in the countryside i leave my house open, my car unlocked, my bag unattended in the bar, very safe. however, i would add that road safety is poor and i am much more afraid on the roads over here than in ireland.

business opportunities: unemployment is high, but taxes for start-ups are high too, so there is little encouragment. the candidates for next election are planning on changing that.

environment: i suppose i would say average. we do the paper, plastic, bottle thing, but there are no big drives to do more. many people here grow their own veg and keep hens and maybe a few pigs, people bring their baskets and do big veg/meat shops in the weekly market, and most would automatically compost the waste. France has a long way to go to meet kyoto protocol.

i loved living in austria too, and would imagine it's closer to scandinavian countries where many aspects are considered best in europe. on paper those places may tick more boxes to be considered the best place to live, but for me you can't get 'the craic' there. france is the best compromise for me, life is good and the french know how to enjoy it.
 
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