Thanks for all the advice, the main point I was trying to get across was that by getting out a loan of 28k I was trying to sort myself out!!! ... Not get myself into further debt. The one loan would cover everything, the car, the cc, and the existing loan so that I would have one single payment of €564 a month, I know people asked how I was going to pay back an even bigger loan but by amalgamating everything I was cutting down on all my original separate payments (which if I did get the car loan on its own and added it to all other repayments would total €940), this loan payment plus my ssia of €254 a month are the only outgoings I would have, leaving me with approx €1200 a month for personal spending...obv then of course i could afford to pay off a little extra on the loan whenever i could reducing my debt even more .. pay the loan off in 4 .. 4 1/2 years instead of 5?! I suppose I left it a bit too late to sort out my debts, which I thought were very small, obv in the banks eyes they are not, let it be a lesson to anyone else who thinks it is ok to miss a payment on a cc and make it up the next month - very naive of me, I know, but I don't think I am the only one out there...!??