Hi Observer, i don't easily take offence but i did to your comment that there is an undercurrent of hosility to the original poster. If you have issue with something said then state it specifically instead of making sweeping remarks which are insulting to anyone who has posted before you. I for one one gave advice that i thought was helpful to the poster. It's very easy to say go out and get a loan but it appeared he was having difficulty getting one. I post questions myself and welcome the variety of answers, opinions and ideas which it can generate. They may not all be suitable but it gives me a wider choice and options.