I see, so the only achievements that we recognise and reward are financial achievements by businesses. Achievements in provide excellent public services are not worthy of reward.
Where are the excellent public services?I see, so the only achievements that we recognise and reward are financial achievements by businesses. Achievements in provide excellent public services are not worthy of reward.
Why would you limit this to public sector salaries? If we really want to bring prices down, then it should be an across the board cap - maximum salary for everybody. Could be done fairly easily through taxation.
Why would you limit this to public sector salaries?
Apples and oranges Complainer. Think of it this way, if Glanbia were struggling and making losses, their shareholders would more than likely demand pay cuts at the top. Do you think this should mean that Ryanair who are making profits should also cut the pay of their board? We (as shareholders in the public sector of this country) should be entitled to demand pay caps in the public sector as we contribute towards their pay, but we have no such right to demand anything of private companies.
The media aren't that interested in hearing about great public services. They don't report on the 1000's of medical procedures carried out successfully each day. They report on the one that screwed up. They don't report on the 1000's of safety inspections carried out by HSA staff every day. They don't report on the 1000s of tourists that visit the National Museum/National Gallery/Cliffs of Moher each day. There are plenty of excellent public services out there. Don't expect them to hit the headlines.Where are the excellent public services?
Because we'd, the taxpayers, can't afford to pay them.
I presume this is 100% meant to point out how silly salary caps are?
I normally disagree with Tintin O' Fool and reckon he regularly displays gaping holes in his understanding of the subject matter at hand, but I like the spirit of this to an extent.
Let's not have civil unrest, instead, could someone put together a huge petition whereby we the public agree to endure certain cuts subject to say a 25% to 30% cut in the pay of politicians and very senior civil servants.
I agree with the idea that politicians and the most senior public servants should be as capable and well paid as those in the private sector but I just don't see that paying higher salaries has attracted better people over the last 10 years.
Politics is dominated by dynasties and this is a big hurdle to getting more capable people involved as is the parochial nature of the current structure.
The public service, meanwhile, is not structured like a private enterprise. There is very little performance appraisal and a bigger likelihood of advancement through years experience than capability. Coupled with the fact that it seems difficult for someone who hasn't come up through the ranks to get in, it makes the likelihood of having top civil servants on a par with those in private enterprise lower.
So, yes get the most capable people into politics and the top layers of the public service and pay them their worth. But paying the incumbants salaries comparable to the best in the private sector alone does not attract the most capable.
Alter the structures to open up politics and the top layers of the public service to the most capable and then pay higher salaries. In the meantime, the incumbants shouldn't expect €100-200k p.a. plus for simply taking over their daddy's seat or steadily working their way through the layers of civil service for 20 years with no great ability
By the way, there are plenty of examples of less capable people in the private sector top jobs e.g. banks, but I do believe by and large that the private sector tolerates this to a lesser extent
But we, the consumers, can afford to pay the exorbitant salaries?
However, one-sided caps would be a recipe for a disaster. It would drive the best and brightest out of the public sector for a generation. If we don't have great public servants, we won't have great public services.
Huh? What's that got to do with the discussion on salary caps? You seem to be arguing just for the sake of it today Complainer!Actually, we do - we have the right to demand that private companies pay there fair share of tax for start, which they aren't doing at present.
Fair point- siege mentality!Huh? What's that got to do with the discussion on salary caps? You seem to be arguing just for the sake of it today Complainer!
Indeed - a chose of a whole range of suppliers that all pay exorbitant salaries to their head honchos. Hobson's choice.Consumers have where competition exists a choice on what goods/services they buy in the private sector
To the private sector, or to Europe, or the UN, or to retirement. Take your pick.Drive them where exactly...the private sector?
Fair point- siege mentality!
Indeed - a chose of a whole range of suppliers that all pay exorbitant salaries to their head honchos. Hobson's choice.
To the private sector, or to Europe, or the UN, or to retirement. Take your pick.
Indeed - because they can get away with charging excessive prices, because every one else charges pretty much the same prices.Only because they can...if they're not profitable they can't.
Last time I looked there were not too many positions with salaries and benefits like that in the private sector. Europe and the UN - paid by taxpayers somewhere else, retirement - paid by taxpayers here.
Indeed - because they can get away with charging excessive prices, because every one else charges pretty much the same prices.
How hard did you look?
10+ jobs at €100k here; http://jobsearch.monster.ie/Search.aspx?q=€100k&cy=ie&lid=173