Over the longterm there won't be a saving - as you say, each child still goes to school for 13/14 years. There will be a one-off upfront saving/delayed cost as the first year's worth of children work their way through school (if they can scale back the number of teachers and other costs). If a primary school normally has 50 in each class so normally 400 across the 8 classes (junior infants to 6th class), then in year 1 (assuming junior infants pupils are normally 50% age 5 and 50% age 4), junior infants will only have 25 kids so the school will only have 375 pupils. The second year, there will be a normal intake of 50 junior infants (all age 5) but senior infants will only have the 25 who started the previous year. So until those original 25 work their way through the 8 grades, the school will only have 375 pupils instead of 400. Then the reverse bulge will hit secondary school, work their way through 5/6 years there - and when they are gone, there'll be no more saving... Hopefully the country will be in better shape (gulp...) in 13/14 years time.I'm probably a bit slow (don't all agree now!) but I don't quite understand how this saves the state money? For example if a child starts school at 4, 5 or 6, how does it cost the state differently for a child starting at 4 compared to one starting at 5?
Things like this will save very little in the overall education budget. The elephant in the room remains the wages and pensions bill but of course we are not allowed to talk about that. Not saying it should be cut but I have never heard of a company trying to save money but ignore the biggest ticket item in their expenses.
I have to agree. The taxpayer gets to look forward to higher taxes for less services whilst those in "protected" jobs are left alone.
Not trying to be pedantic but why couldn't he start when he was 4 and 11 months instead of 5 and 11 months? I thought Irish schools have always let kids start at 4? Did your school have its own rules?My son's birthday is in the 2nd half of September, and yes he had to wait until almost his 6th birthday to start school.
Not trying to be pedantic but why couldn't he start when he was 4 and 11 months instead of 5 and 11 months? I thought Irish schools have always let kids start at 4? Did your school have it's own rules?
thedaras said:Congrats to your son JP1234..
Re Edinburgh, as far as I know there are no fees or "registration" fees in Edinburgh.
A son of a friend of mine is heading to Aberdeen,to study physio,as its free there,even though he could do it here!
I have to agree. The taxpayer gets to look forward to higher taxes for less services whilst those in "protected" jobs are left alone.
Wonder what others think of the ideas being put forward re abolition of transition year and school starting age of five.
One of mine , shouldn't have done it,but had no choice,it was compulsory,and it was disastrous for him,as he was too old..
Having said that, wasn't it brought in, in the first place because kids were so young (4) starting school and therefore too young starting college?
All mine started school at age 5 and over,and where I live,the local school don't take them until they are 5 anyway.
If kids don't start until they are 5 ,will the need for transition year be gone anyway?
Re college fees, I'm really amazed at how few hours college students do,on a lot of courses,its six hours a week! Surely this should be looked at..a three year university course could be easily reduced to two years and a four year reduced to three..that way ,the current " registration " fee of 2k a year would be 6k instead of 8k etc..
Certaintly in my kids case,she does 14 hours a week and is bored out of her tree the rest of the time!That and the amount of time they are off in incredible!
I'll bet that those who're in "protected" jobs are glad that they're not tax payers and that they don't have to look forward to higher taxes.
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