AbbeyStone-Feltrim Rd. Swords

Hi guys

Just in relation to Abbystone and gorsehill over on boards.ie theres a huge discussion about this development and problems related to it and the management company etc. we're looking at setting up a residents association to help out with these problems etc. check it out if ya like.

as for the question about planning for shops etc. Quoting application F02A/0729

"The residential development provides for a total of 1183 residential units, comprising 548 houses and 635 apartments, of which there are 46 one bedroom, 741 two bedroom, 386 three bedroom and 10 four bedroom units ranging in height from 2/2 1/2 and 3 storeys. The development comprises one local services centre (697.2 sq.m.) containing 1 creche (390.2sq.m.), 1 retail unit (113 sq.m.), 1 medical facility (97 sq.m.)and a pharmacy (97 sq.m.) in a single building of 1 1/2 storeys. Access to the development is from the existing main road through Airside Business Park to form a new distributor road, extending from the existing N1 to the proposed M1 motorway. Pedestrian/cycle provisions will be incorporated alongside the proposed distributor road. "

Also expect long delays on the building. I was told before christmas 2005, I got in in August 2006 with no explaination for teh delay what so ever.
 
From green
fields to suburban sprawl


Rosita Boland goes in search of a 'community' in a new north Co Dublin housing development, but finds some residents don't believe there is one.
From the Airside Retail Park near Swords in north Co Dublin you can see across the rise to Holywell, a vast and growing housing development that now sprawls over some 80 acres. Airside itself is also huge, a hulk of furniture and hardware outlets: B&Q, Atlantic Homecare, the Carpet Showroom, Diamond Living, Leather Sofas. The retail park faces a string of new and second-hand car dealerships. You could furnish your house here and buy a car to put in front of it, but you wouldn't be able to buy a pint of milk to put in your new fridge: there aren't any grocery shops in sight or within walking distance.
Built in different phases since 2002, named Feltrim Hall, Gorse Hill and Abbeystone, the developments have now collectively been renamed Holywell. The feeder road to the M1 motorway runs through the development, which is flanked on all sides by prominent signs for showhouses from the newest phase of building, with the accompanying slogan "Quality Homes in an Outstanding Location". The outstanding location does not yet have a single shop on its 80-acre site. Shops, a pharmacy, creche, primary school and playground were all on the plans, but none have yet been built.
Although each phase of the development was given a different name, there is not one obvious distinguishing feature between the three parts. Even the signs bearing the three original names were all recently removed.
Every building is painted the same off-white colour, with the same PVC windows, and built in the same style. The roads are all variations on the same name: Holywell Road, Drive, Place, Gardens, Heath, Wood, Park, Walk, Square, Court. At the time of the last election, this area was all fields.
It's mid-morning on a weekday and it's pretty easy to work out which houses are currently occupied. Those with blinds down and no car outside do not respond to a knock. Those with blinds up and a car outside do, although virtually everyone who opens their door to me first goes through a long process inside of unlocking and unbolting.
"When this development was sold to us originally, we were told there was to be a primary school, a creche, playground and shops," Fiona Britton says. She bought a two-bed house here a year ago. "I thought I was buying into a certain lifestyle, but I've seen nothing of it so far. We paid for a certain address here: I thought I was buying into Kinsealy. If it turns out to be Swords - because they keep changing the name of the development - I'll be pissed off."
ACCORDING TO ESTATE agents Hamilton Osborne King, which has been selling the development for the Albany Group since its launch, there are 1,200 units on site - a mix of apartments, duplexes and houses. However, it might seem to the visitor as if there are far more, probably since the development is largely low-level. Not even the residents are sure how many housing units are in Holywell, let alone what the population of the development is.
"How many people live here at Holywell? I'd say about 14,000," Britton estimates. "I think there are 6,000 units."
Last month, Latvian woman Baiba Saulite was murdered at her front door in this development. Britton mentions her name several times. "She lived closer to me than other neighbours do at home in Monaghan, but I didn't know her. I didn't know her, and it's terrible to say this - but how could I really say I cared about her? I was far more affected by the deaths of the five boys who died in Threemilehouse recently. Back home in Monaghan, that is where my real community is, even though I live in Holywell."
Britton has, until now, kept her vote in Monaghan because she wants to help keep the hospital there open. For the next election, she is considering transferring her vote to Dublin, because she is so exercised about the poor transport, saying there is only one bus an hour.
"It's much easier to improve transport immediately by putting more buses on a big route than digging a hole under the city for a metro. If there was a quality bus service, people would use it. But if you're going to work, who's going to depend on a bus that only comes once an hour?"
Although the bus service is so infrequent - or perhaps because of it - the poor transport doesn't seem to exercise too many other residents. Perhaps they've just given up. Many report that they have cars and could not possibly live here otherwise, and that they now take commuting for granted.
"No, there are no shops here and we were promised them, but I have a car, so I drive to get everything I need," says Laura Tipper, who has been living in Gorse Hill since February. She has never used the bus service. "What I want are the roads to be finished here, they're in a brutal state."
Chris Kelly, his wife and young family have been living in the development since March. Their vote is still in their old location: they haven't changed it yet. He looks across to a high wall opposite their house. "We were told there was supposed to be a primary school built on the other side of that. There is nothing there yet. Why do developers always build housing first and facilities much later?"
When I mention the word "community" to Kelly, he looks blank. "I don't know anyone here," he responds frankly. "I don't even know our neighbours on either side of us."
SOME DOORS DOWN from Kelly's house, two cars with Cork registrations are parked outside a duplex apartment block. Each of them have plaits of red and white wool twisted around their internal mirrors: a declaration of loyalty to a place and a community that is far from here.
Stephen Donnelly bought his house at Feltrim Hall on launch day two years ago, and has seen the other phases of the development go up around him since. "There are about 10,000 units here now," he says. "About 15,000 people live here now." The poor public transport doesn't bother him, because he never uses it. He's annoyed, though, that the internal roads in the development aren't finished, and that the street lighting is erratic. He's registered to vote here, and will be doing so.
Donnelly bought his three-bed house for €300,000 in 2004 and says it is now worth €460,000. "I will be watching closely to see what happens with stamp duty. A lot of people here will be selling on, and stamp duty for first-time buyers is a huge issue, especially as prices in this development have gone up so much."
Does he see himself remaining in Holywell for the long-term? Donnelly considers. "People don't make plans for life any more, do they? They might plan for 10 years at most, but no more."
Joe Hogan, en route from his van to apartment, is the only person I meet who is renting at Holywell.
"Am I registered to vote? Why, is there an election coming up?" He's not joking. What does he think of Holywell as a community? Hogan laughs. "This place isn't a community. The only community we have these days is inside our houses or when we're out with our friends."
© The Irish Times



Need any more be said????
 
What does that article prove? The reporter would have gotten the exact same reponses if she went knocking on doors in any new developement between the River Liffey and Newry!
 
Unlike a lot of people who have posted on this topic, I actually live in this development. I bought my house through advice from a friend who runs a small architectural firm. Now maybe I got lucky but I am really happy with what i got. The layout is fine and whilst it is pretty standard there is not a hump in one of the rooms to accomodate the stairs (which i say in a lot of other developments before i bought) and there is concrete walls too.
The 43 bus to town is a lot quicker than any of the 41s and the nitelink drops right outside the developmet too. (obviously they need more frequent times, but this is the case for all bus routes) The developemnt is also near both Malahide & Portmarnock dart stations.
The location is excellent you are near the airport, near swords malahide portmarnock howth, close to the M50 and between each place there is a world of retail and restaurants.
On the subject of price. When you look at Dublin house prices these are very much in line with every where else in the area.
And finally I know my neighbours becuase i made an effort to do so.
 
What about parking, there are no driveways in the development it
is all communal parking, do you get a spot outside your house all of the time, if people are visiting where do they park etc eg a house party etc
not having your car outside or near your house because somebody visiting your neighbours has parked in your spot is surely annoying , is this not a security risk to your car if you have to park it somewhere else, around the corner out if sight
As mention in the previous post there is no shop within walking distance
for milk or bread.
Is there managemant fees for the houses , how much ?
I think it is wrong for a house to have to pay management fees for what
there is no green space.
I think Abbeystone is badly designed in that the houses / apartments look like they are all on top of each other lack of green space/parking spaces.
All units look the same in a never ending spwral.
 


and hows that..."have made money"??
 
Finbar

I bought a house in the first phase ( Feltrim Hall), Always get a spot outside my house. no mgt fee for houses. Also, shop is around 10 minute walk for me at the most. Think the back of the estate - is getting out of control with the number of houses alright but overall where I am there doesn't seem to be as many problems.
 
My situation sounds the same as Rookie.
I bought in the first phase called Feltrim Hall and never had any trouble be it parking going to shops getting the bus - its all within easy walking distance from me.

Gorse Hill & Abbeystone which are at the back of the developent well thats a different story. They need to get the shops and units in place on the development for these houses as they require a lot more walking.
 
This isn't the first time a development that big was built in Swords. The original Swords Manor development was around 1,000 houses (again with poor facilities, but at least they were close to a school). The problem with places like Swords is that once they reach 20,000 or more it seems ok to build massive development like this (which by their very nature have no facilities are they are so large most houses are a considerable distance from the nearest shop etc).

If its any consolation its still not at all unusual for small villages in rural Ireland with populations of 500-1000 people to be bombarded by housing estates of around 100 houses. This is supposed to be "preferable" and "more sustainable" than random one-off homes.

Likewise walk around much of north Dublin suburbs such as Beaumont, Artane, Santry and Whitehall and you'll notice that a lot of estates are large and remote from shops etc. Shopping in places like Marino and Artane is pretty awful and a lot of my family members there go to Swords for a major shop because the local choice is very limited.

The only thing I will say for the Hollywell development is that it is located on a side of Swords that is likely to develop more in the future, and be assured, if there are 1200 houses sooner or later a few shops will pop up as obviously there is a huge amount of business there for whoever does get in first.
 
There’s been a lot of negative posts here about the Abbeystone development (it seems primarily from people who don’t actually live there). Let me tell you all that I have spent 1.5 years searching the length and breath of this great city and Abbeystone is as good as it gets. If you think in the current market that there is better out there then you really missed the boat people. I got a three bed duplex and I have to say I cant fault it, its not exactly Aras an Uachtarain but it has well proportioned rooms, a really decent sized kitchen and a great balcony. As for the estate itself, I think in a really fantastic location, it is literally a five minute drive to Malahide marina, 15-20 minutes walking to Swords village which has every amenity you need including a pretty good scattering of nice bars and restaurants. OK you have to walk for a bit but at least you CAN walk not like most other places I saw, especially up around Stepaside where your literally Heidi up a mountain without even a proper footpath to take you to the nearest shop 5 miles away.

In Swords / Abbeystone you got the M1, the future Metro at Nevinstown, a decent express bus in the mornings and its not a crime ridden ghetto but a pretty safe and secure neighborhood. Plus its not a million miles from the city centre and all for under €400,000 which in my books is a bloody steal in this day and age. I’m well aware that its not a picture perfect development and that its ridiculously overpriced but for a first time buyer you could pay a lot more for a lot worse, it certainly ticked all my boxes J.
 
Well put Scrappydoo!

I still can't understand why some people seem to have nothing better to do than try to knock other people's hopes & dreams.

And don't tell me it's out of concern. If it was, you'd be better spent down at the local Soup kitchen...

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If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs,...
...then you obviously haven't grasped the severity of the situation.
 
Well put Scrappydoo!

I still can't understand why some people seem to have nothing better to do than try to knock other people's hopes & dreams.

People come here looking for info on estates,if i don't think a place is up to scratch i'm not going to say it is just to save people's "hopes and dreams".All i said was that the place was totally overpriced for what you are getting say in comparrison to the more mature estates in swords,what other people said has nothing to do with me.

Then i see this
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i actually passed it at the time looked bad all right.
 
Remind me again when it happened?
 
Remind me again when it happened?

Not sure what you mean,all i know is i passed there last week and there was a fire in one of the duplex's on the left hand side,fire brigade turntable ladder the works,with smoke billowing out the upstairs windows.
Didn't stop,so don't know how bad it got but was in a block.
 
OK, last week. Was searching RTE for breaking news
 

The Watcher,
your point is taken and I would wholeheartedly agree that the Abbeystone development is grossly overpriced when compared to the likes of Briomhe or any existing mature residential area, none of which I could afford. So if like me, your a first time buyer searching for your starter home then I believe that Abbeystone has all the right elements, its certainly preferable, in terms of location and services, to the majority of developments springing up on the fringes of Dublin and beyond. In short its the best of a bad bunch.

As regards the whole fire safety issue, I'd be very cynical about any post thats based on information that been told to someone who told someone else. Depite popular perception Part B Fire Regulations and the procedures for issuing a Fire Cert to a developer are stricter in this country than most other places. I would be very surprised that the Fingal Fire Control Officer would issue and maintain a Fire Cert if the buildings werent up to scratch. I would suggest that what the Fire Brigade told the unfortunates who had the fire in their house was that timber framed houses such as these are a greater fire hazard than say other building forms and that they misinterpreted them. It doesnt take a genuius to figure out that a building built primarily of wood is going to burn for longer than one made out of concrete or brick but almost every development round the country are now timber framed so it wouldnt be a deal breaker for me.
 
Can i just say i live in the first phase of Abbeystone. I have found the builders to be very helpful. No problems with my house. Also there is a field where the old site office was there is a National School zoned for there with shops , pharmacy & creche facilities. Patience! Rome was not built in a day!
 
Regarding the fire, which I think is a very serious matter for all residents.

There are discussions on the topic

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and here