I am sick of the Yes brigade treating this upcoming referendum as being a vote on Europe, its not, should we vote No we are still in Europe. Should we vote No, the Treaty cannot go ahead, and if the Conservative party win the UK general Election early next year they have stated that they will hold a referendum on this Treaty, it does not take a genius to predict that outcome. It clearly would be defeated. It would also be defeated in France. Netherlands if their citizens were afforded a vote on it.
We are simply asking them to go back to the drawing board, this treaty was drawn up under utterly completely circumstances that prevail today. It makes me laugh, as we stand today there are 4 EU members that have not even subscribed to the euro as a currency ! Yet we are being treated very badly because we have the audacity to question the Treaty. Giving such power to People who in the past were worried how straight a banana should be !!
Wheeling out Michael O'Leary was hilarious, that man does not give a sht about consumers, or workers. He was obviously not even up to speed on the Treaty, licking This post will be deleted if not edited to remove bad language for his own agenda, he surprised me as to how low he would stoop.
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I am sick of the Yes brigade treating this upcoming referendum as being a vote on Europe, its not, should we vote No we are still in Europe. Should we vote No, the Treaty cannot go ahead, and if the Conservative party win the UK general Election early next year they have stated that they will hold a referendum on this Treaty, it does not take a genius to predict that outcome. It clearly would be defeated. It would also be defeated in France. Netherlands if their citizens were afforded a vote on it.
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How did you work that out? Who do you reckon is going to bring down the Govt?Likelihood is that a 'no' to Lisbon would bring a general election
One thing that worries me.
The media keep on saying that Ganley's campaign is funded by loads of foreign business people, a lot who work in the financial sector.
Since foreign investment and the financial sector are big in Ireland, does the notion that foreign investors are funding the No campaign not scare everyone? Certainly indicates that foreign investment and jobs will be less likely to locate in Ireland in the event of a Yes vote.
Yes campaign cant have it both ways - saying that Yes will create jobs, but critical of the fact that big business is funding the No campaign.
On Ganley: first point is that not a cent of those investments actually makes its way into Ireland. The second point is who (based on what can be gathered from the scant information) those investors are. He has contracts with the American military and they lose out with a Yes. The weapons industry as a whole will lose out also because they won't be able to charge Ireland double for a new Helicopter (for Mary to get to the races).
There are now quite a few companies supplying the weapons industry in Ireland and it is expected to be a growth industry in the next few years. Ireland produces a lot fo the technology components which go into smart weapons. A lot of the companies who produce these components would not be household names, so they are much under the radar from a public knowledge point of view. There are thousands of people employed directly in this industry and potentially tens of thousands in the future. Losing this business will have a big effect on our finances.
Latrade, from reading your last few posts is it fair to say that you believe that, amongst other vested interests, the EU armament industry are funding/promoting the Yes campaign and that for all you know it is concerned Irish citizens who are funding the No campaign? Because that's how it reads.
Fervent Yes people just can't fathom the idea that the ordinary Irish citizens on the No side freely give their time and money to support what they believe in.
You either really believe that Ganley is a US puppet (hardly) or you don't believe it and are happy to push such a suggestion to further your own argument. I view Ganley as a patriot (a defender of the interests of the people of Ireland and a defender of democracy) but he is only a part of a much wider citizen based, and funded, No campaign.
Fervent Yes people just can't fathom the idea that the ordinary Irish citizens on the No side freely give their time and money to support what they believe in. There's no self dividend in this for the No people, the vested interest is all on the Yes side.
Many Yes people will land handy numbers on Boards and committees . . Intel want a €1Bn EU fine reduced and Ryanair want to be allowed to buy AerLingus . . Pat Cox will be gifted the Irish Commissioner post . . IFA's Walshe, I suspect, will do a Parlon . . IBEC want to drive down wages and conditions . . the EU has become a gravy train and playground for political classes who view themselves as masters of the people . . last word to you
To the best of my knowledge, there was one article in one newspaper showing that one donor to Libertas's UK MEP campaign was in the financial sector.One thing that worries me.
The media keep on saying that Ganley's campaign is funded by loads of foreign business people, a lot who work in the financial sector.
The Yes side campaign seems to be a smear campaign against No supporters i.e. Ganley et al. You have to ask the question as to why they are concentrating on a smear campaign rather than advocating the treaty itself? Ganley's background, whether or not he is funded by whoever etc. are of no relevance to the Constitutional decision we are making.
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