How is it an elephant in the room when it is clearly addressed in the Treaty? We get to set our own tax.
But we have to remember that we are a gateway to Europe and nothing else.
There's a great example across the Irish sea. The Queen of England is not elected, yet she is a Head of State. No Law in the UK can come into effect until the Queen signs it. While the current Queen is generally compliant, she can refuse to sign things. She also obtained her job through birthright. No ordinary UK citizen (or should I say subject) is allowed to become King/Queen on merit or by election. The UK also has an unelected chamber in is Parliament call the House of Lords. The HOL is also the equivalent of our Supreme Court. So unelected Lords, some there by birth, are allowed to act as the final Judge and jury legal cases in the UK.
There are also a lot of other things that hang off a country having a monarch - the subjects have lesser rights in some areas e.g. no absolute right to sue the State, no absolute ownership of property (even "freehold" in the UK is subject to the Monarch). Also, the Queen is the commander of the armed forces in the UK. They are there to defend her interests which are not always the same as those of the British people. We may be living in peaceful times with a UK monarch who is compliant and doesnt rock the boat. As we can see from history, it isnt always that way.
You forgot to add "for now" to the end of the sentence. If the EU turns around next month and says lets have a treaty to harmonise corporation tax, what do you think will happen? If we vote No, what do you think will happen?
Voting No does not take away any rights we currently have - this is one of the mistruths of the Yes campaign.
The Monarchies have no say in the running of the State.
The Monarchy IS the State.
superstates like germany and france will have a huge increcse in their voting power!..while irelands will be halfed....its a no brainer
True, but Vote 'No' to Lisbon, and you'll still get NAMA, possibly with someone other than Cowan at the helm.Vote 'Yes' to Lisbon and you'll get NAMA.
So you're objection is really against a handful of countries that retain a monarchy?
Here's the issue, the people of those states have to power to abolish the Monarchy if they wish.
I believe in equality. When you have monarchs and subjects, you have two classes of people which is wrong.
I dont recall any occasion where the people of these states were allowed to decide on whether or not they have a monarch. Can you enlighten us all?
Without getting into a long and complex legal argument, there are a lot of disadvantages and restrictions in rights that go along with having a monarch Some of your comments on issues e.g. Crown Immunity are not strictly accurate - you'd be surprised at how often these things raise their ugly heads - one example in the news at the moment is the compensation to injured soldiers from Iraq. Because UK is a monarchy, these people have no absolute right to sue for the FULL cost and compensation relating to their injuries - all they can do is petition a hearing for a paltry among of money that has been put aside at the descretion of the monarch. Contrast that with what happens in Ireland. As we've seen with some of our soldiers - they can go to court and get full compensation for any injuries.
someone other than cowen at the helm......sounds good to me!True, but Vote 'No' to Lisbon, and you'll still get NAMA, possibly with someone other than Cowan at the helm.
It sounds good to me too, but it doesn't sound like a good reason to Vote No to me.someone other than cowen at the helm......sounds good to me!
NAMA is a good reason to vote 'no' to Lisbon.
NAMA is a good reason to vote 'no' to Lisbon. Vote 'Yes' and you'll definitely get NAMA. Vote 'no' and you may or may not get it. Likelihood is that a 'no' to Lisbon would bring a general election and that would throw NAMA open to debate. At the moment Cowan and his buddies are steam-rollering it thro' with no regard to how the electorate feel about it. But then hey! The electorate are (for the most part) showing themselves to be a bunch of scared, paranoid lilly-livered swabs as they gulp down the fear being pressed upon them by a failed administration.
Lisbon (or will it be NAMA?) will be the final insult inflicted upon the irish people by Cowan and his mates.
Three of my great-uncles were killed in the Battle of the Somme (2 of them on the same day) fighting for the British in the misguided belief that they would get their great reward of independence when the war was won. They truly laid down their lives for their country as did the leaders of the 1916 rising.
I'm in no way a republican and Sinn Fein revolt me but I'm ashamed of our craven attitude to the EU. We've grown fat and full on the back of the Celtic Tiger. Now there is an economic bump in the road which might see the Mercedes repossessed and we want to throw away our hard-won sovereignty? Think about it. It's simply shameful.
NAMA is a good reason to vote 'no' to Lisbon. Vote 'Yes' and you'll definitely get NAMA. Vote 'no' and you may or may not get it. Likelihood is that a 'no' to Lisbon would bring a general election and that would throw NAMA open to debate. At the moment Cowan and his buddies are steam-rollering it thro' with no regard to how the electorate feel about it. But then hey! The electorate are (for the most part) showing themselves to be a bunch of scared, paranoid lilly-livered swabs as they gulp down the fear being pressed upon them by a failed administration.
Lisbon (or will it be NAMA?) will be the final insult inflicted upon the irish people by Cowan and his mates.
great post latrade.
Spare me the chest beating “WE ARE IRELAND” hysterics. Spare me the hyperbole about NAMA. This is about whether Europe should or should change its process and administration to be more effective, efficient and representative.
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