A good day for democracy

Income "Tax"

-Sinn Féin "supports the idea of a local income tax".-

Many businesses in certain parts of NI already pay a local "income tax".

Unfortunately this "tax" does not pay for any hospitals, schools, roads or anything public whatsoever!
 
Terrorism

I find it infuriating that some people on this BB dare insinuate that every Irish person who votes for Sinn Fein is a supporter of terrorism, while at the same time vociferously defending the purity of other nationalities or religious groups which constantly equivocate over the active terrorism within their own community.

Osama Bin Laden encourages terrorist attacks in the name of Islam. Does that mean everyone who embraces Islam is a terrorist?

Where exactly do you draw your superior moral line?

Double standards abound.
 
Financial Sector Tax

PS I think a Financial Sector tax is a bloody good idea and long overdue.
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Why? Because they are profitable?
How about Construction Firms? They've practically been minting their own cash for a few years now, how about a special tax for them.

Or what about organizations that exploit the patriotism and ingorance of Ex-Pats to raise money. How about a special tax on that.

Incidently there is a Levy on Banks at the moment, so whatever it is it isn't overdue. It's here.

This is exactly the kind of stuff we need more discussion on. SF won't last ten minutes when their true policies are discussed. They'll join Joe (The Banks should all be owned by the state) Higgins on the Looney Fringe.

-Rd
 
sf

if you vote for sinn fein, you cannot ignore their past and their present.

Do you, for example, believe that the murderers of Garda Jerry McCabe should walk free?

SF do

Its not ala carte where you pick the bits that you like without taking responsibility for the rest
 
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"Osama Bin Laden encourages terrorist attacks in the name of Islam. Does that mean everyone who embraces Islam is a terrorist?"

No, it means that everyone who embraces Osama Bin Laden is embracing terrorism.

Attempting to fuse religious persuasion with political idealism as a means of garnering support is a well-establihed trick that the Shinners in particular have sought to exploit in the past.

In a democracy, you are of course free to support who you like - but it helps if you know what they're about.
 
For the record

For the record I've never had a problem with SF's past. I've never said a bad word against those members of Sinn Fein who admit to having been members of the IRA, Such as Martin McGuinness for example. Even those who said they were proud of what they did such as a local election candidate in my constituency.

My problem with Sinn Fein is the dishonesty. There's the laughable dishonesty of Gerry Adams claiming to never have been a member of the IRA. If he'll lie about things he doesn't need to lie about do you think he'd think twice about lying about more serious issues.

And there's the more sinister Dishonesty of SF calling "The Establised Parties" like Fianna Fail currupt, while SF is itself involved in actions that are far more corrupt.

I don't care if the IRA never disbands, or if it never destroys or hands over another bullet. All I care about is that the people who go forward for election honestly have no ties with illegal gangs, and that those who want to put their pasts behind them at least do us the courtesy of owning up to their part in it.

SF are terrified to sever ties with their past because it's all that sets them apart and can be counted on for a big chunk of votes. When they have to slug it out in honest politics they'll be sharing last place with the Socialist Party and Others.

-Rd
 
the 3 amigos

A sinn fein spokesman saidthey were dissapponted the the Colombian 3 were not allowed to leave the country while their cases were being appealed

Were they on holiday or digging wells for the poor rural workers?
 
Columbia

Are those 3 home yet?

Naturally they'll be paraded as heroes at various SF fundraisers. Travelling on false passports in Farc country might seem dodgy to you and I, but to SF it makes them heroes.

Bloody passports, and governments and law's and stuff. Sure why would a legitimate political party need to bother itself with such things.

-Rd
 
teach a man to fish and he can feed ......oops wrong group

BOGOTA, Colombia, June 7 (Reuters) - A car bomb exploded in the city of Medellin on Monday, injuring two pregnant women, a Catholic priest and five other people in an early morning attack authorities blamed on Marxist rebels.

Without providing evidence, police said urban guerrillas with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, FARC, left a car packed with explosives in a parking lot in the center of the city, about 155 miles (250 km) northwest of Colombia's capital, Bogota.

It was the second blast in a major urban center since Saturday night, when another car bomb -- also blamed on the FARC -- injured seven people in the southwestern city of Cali.
 
SF

Daltonr, the financial services sector in this country are obscenely profitable and deeply corrupted, so yes, they should be tithed, and made to clean up their dirty act. And YES so should the building sector, you know well this has been suggested many times by political/economic commentators in the form of a tax on land banking. But with a corrupt FF/PD government in the back pockets of the developers - it won't happen.
I bet it will if SF get into power!
Roll on that day.

C2I...you cannot ignore the past and present of Sinn Fein? I don't! The past is one of political activism for the republican people of Ireland, the present is political activism for all the Irish people through the championing of a peace process that as been actively disrupted and frustrated by Unionism at every opportunity. Ian Paisley is still the bigotted git he always was, and the Protestant people of NI just voted him and his party into majority unionist party position at the last election. I grew up on a diet of his anti catholic ranting every night on UTV. If Paisley had his way we'd be back in 1968, when the protestant establishment still had the nationalist people under their thumb and the B-Specials enforced the police state apartheid system on them, and all was well in his fundamentalist proddy dreamland.

While a man like him exists, and is the favoured leader of the protestant population of NI...don't talk to me about Gerry or Martin, who are trying to work with him.
 
big ian

I think that Big Ian, Gerry, Martin and YOU are more alike that you might care to admit.

This is the generation that must pass before peace can blossom.

I'm not saying that the 4 of you are bad or good (not my right to judge) but you all are unfortunately a product of your environment.

Reared elsewhere, your paths may have been a lot different.
 
SF

By the way daltonr,
My problem with Sinn Fein is the dishonesty. There's the laughable dishonesty of Gerry Adams claiming to never have been a member of the IRA.
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Are you sure about that? My understanding is that he never denied IRA memberhip in the 70's...and Martin McGuinness makes no such denial at all.

What they do deny is being members of the IRA NOW and aside from your 'suspicions' about that...do you have any evidence they are in the IRA now?
Please show it!

PS. Many killers of both civilians and security forces personnel have had to be released under the GF agreement. Johnny Adair murdered (and ordered the murder) of innocent catholics who had nothing to do with the conflict, yet he was released. It is distatsteful to me...but thats the deal, so I live with it.
 
SF

C2I your comments are pretty outrageous there. You sound like a rather arrogant, superior and self satisfied little man. Most people from NI who've lived in the Republic have heard your type of chauvinistic bile. "Ahhh, you bloody Northerners are all the same. Troublemakers. Stop taking our jobs down here. Go home."
In my opinion its nothing short of Racism, because if you made the same comment to Nigerian or a Moldovan thats exactly what it would be called. Thats what you are, face up to the fact.
 
SF

C2I, every human being is a product of the environment they live in. You are too. Your worldview is therefore limited by the prejudices and experiences you've been handed during your upbringing. Don't think you're better than anyone else.
 
better than everyone else

I don't think that but at some stage a conscience must come into play.

I still cannot understand how anyone can justify the bombing and maiming of children. (or not DENOUNCE it)

As for Adair, using his name justifies nothing.

I'm from the North but I don't go around killing Gardai so I can rob money.
 
SF

I don't think that but at some stage a conscience must come into play.
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And where does conscience come from if not your taught and learned value system? How do Palestinian bombers justify killing Israeli children? Because they've been taught it is not only OK but is glorious in their twisted belief system. Conscience doesn't exist when environment overrides it. For instance your racism was probably taught to you by your own parents.

You're from the North?
Where?
Bundoran?!
You don't sound like anyone who ever lived under the threats of Adair or Paisleys henchmen!
Ofcourse they mean nothing to you.
 
who are they bugblu?

BB,
You and your fellow travellers(easy and paisley,etc)
would like to continue this tit for tat killing for how long?

You mention racism - your leaders have bragged that catholics will outnumber prods in 2016.
What do they plan then? apartheid? exetermination?

And if conscience does not exist, should we not strive to make it exist, for everybody's future.

Bundoran is the North West, dimwit.

Easy,
Yes, bully for me that I have not bombed or killed and I cannot accept others doing it either.


Your way and SF way and Paisleys way is more of the same - misery for all
 
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