Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea view

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I live in a coastal area with listed views. Ever since a committee of residents that I was part of objected to a farmer getting planning on multible sites I have been harrassed and intimidated. He has just erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking a sea view.
Must one endure this behaviour without redress?
 
Re: Malicious blocking of views

I was under the impression that one isn't entitled to a view anymore. On what grounds did you object to the farmer's planning?
 
Re: Malicious blocking of views

I live in a coastal area with listed views. Ever since a committee of residents that I was part of objected to a farmer getting planning on multible sites I have been harrassed and intimidated. He has just erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking a sea view.
Must one endure this behaviour without redress?

Yes, one must methinks...

It isn't permanent and he will have to either move them indoors (if they're hay or straw) or feed them (if they're silage, although I've never seen anyone stack silage bales).

What kind of harrassment/intimidation are you talking about?
 
Re: Malicious blocking of views

Given the difficulties farmers have had getting the fodder this year, I'd say he has more to bother him than your sea views.

On the other hand, you'll know if it is malicious, if he doesn't use it or sell it. Most farmers have no grass now, and are already feeding silage.

There could also be an issue with effluent. I think there is a regulation that these bales can only be stacked so high, to prevent seepage.
 
Re: Malicious blocking of views

perhaps he felt maliciously dealt with too,have you chatted to him?
 
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True they will be temporary....but what next! Just about any sort of intimidation you can think of short of damage to property and physical violance!
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

The Planning Acts allow for the following.
1)Permission from the Planning Authority is required if silage bales are located within 100 metres of a Dwellinghouse without the written permission of the House owner.
I would advise you to contact The Planning Authority and make a complaint immediately.
best of luck,Forjon.
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

Well done on that Forjon!

I seldom deal with planning issues re agriculture and its always useful to learn something new.

In relation to the OP, no you are not entitled to a view unless it is a listed view and even then its usually listed from a particular viewing point so you may need to check with the planning authority in relation to whether any apparent infringement is actually an offence under the regulations.

In relation to the annoying farmer, I'm not well-versed in such disuptes, but I am reasonably experienced in relation to helping to defend a townland against unwarranted speculative development.

You may find it useful to form a local area development action group.

You may be well-advised to base your position on established planning primciples of any development beign supported by the timely provision of access, drainage, services anc community facilities and support structures, including landscaped public open space, shopping, employment, health and education facilities - the current Adamstown Plan is an example of this on a large scale.

You don't want to facilitate a carpet of suburbia or see your community end up a dormer town for somewhere else.
Whether or not this is in fact the current postion, your group - as well as dealing with new applications for apparently unsuppoerted speculative development which will make this tendency worse - could develop into a local pressure group on a medium term basis to ensure facilities are provided to your community in a timely manner.

The purpose of this group should be - inter alia - to; -
- watch out for unauthorised development in the area
- monitor new and existing planning decisisons
- review the County Development Plan and Local Area Plan(s) for current status, proposed Variations during the life of the plan and New 5-year Plans.
- promote the orderly development of your area in accordance with enlightened planning principles based on understanding the mistakes of the past, including the Lesson of Tallaght.

This kind if input takes time and commitment - allow three years to see some results - don't worry, time flies.
A group of at least 10-12 is required to carry out all these functions without crippling any one individual with workload.
Ideally you should get a local architect or planning consultant to join the group or speak to the group on a pro-bono basis, offer advice and draft submissions including; -

(i) draw up submission on the area plans and CDP and variatons,
(ii) lodge planning observations
(iii) lodge planning appeals
(iv) attend and comment at oral hearings

In order to establish some legitimacy in the area you could; -

a) form an association and invite memberships
b) call a public meeting and seek a mandate or, at worst
c) conduct a survey and obtain local people's views on development in the area.

In order to make the group more effective, you could hire a facilitator for a day and focus the members defining their perceived roles and aims and how best to achieve them.

The group should meet locally every week to keep a finger on the pulse and some pub will have an unused meeting rom you can blag and then pay for by staying for light refreshments after the meeting, which should run for about two hours from 8-10 p.m.

This may include:-

1. adopting a position regarding unsupported speculative development - so called "maverick rezonings"
2. Contact the Council all landowners and developers with known interests in the hinterland and publicise your position with notices in the local shops and newspapers, on the national and local radio stations and TV is possible.
3. Formally object tp at least one speculative development stating the basis in planning law for both your objection and the position adopted by the development action group.
4. Draw upa local area plan showing the groups aims and aspirations for the area and submit this to the Local Authority.

This will set out your stall and it may give even your neighbour pause for thought.

In relation to the OP's not-so-nice neighbour I understand he is a farmerand one should consider monitoring his land for pollution activities, including slurry disposal, effluent run off, water quality in ditches, fumes and smoke from buring activities, leaving roads in a dangerous condition adjoining his land, etc.

In this regard in law you are in a strong position because "coming to the nuisance is no defense" or so I was taught.

Research, organize, act.

Oh, and - enjoy! :)

ONQ.
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

He has just erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking a sea view.
Must one endure this behaviour without redress?
If it is that close there may also be right to light issues (i.e. talk to a solicitor) - it's a long shot though. Try Planning first of all.
You might also try building control in your local authority - given the height of the bales, building regulations might apply - it might be considered an unsafe structure.
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

i imagine it would be quite a fire risk having those tinder dry bales so close to the house in the summer.
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

18' high and 15' from your house . . . sounds like a danger to you house if not secured correctly. Apart from the above suggestions there must be some health and sefety regulations covering large piles of anything that might fall on a dwelling. An 18' high stack of anything that close must be dangerous.

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Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

A detailed post and some responses have been deleted because the level of detail given meant that it might be possible to identify the the parties concerned.

In general it is not a good idea to discuss details of contentious cases on a public discussion such as AAM. Bear in mind that "the other side" can read these posts as well and that you may well compromise any case by discussing details here.

OP have you spoken to your solicitor?
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

OnQ Thanks a million for that advice. It is a path we have been discussing and it is useful to see others have considered and acted on this advice.















twalsh47
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

No, have not gone to law on this yet. Note your comments though....the ethernet is alive with listeners!
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

It would be a concern if some bright spark decided to have a fire(pardon the pun) but it could be a serious hazard for us.
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

If you and the farmer don't get on, for whatever reason, then I would wait out a couple of months without any reaction. How long can he keep the hay if it's needed for cattle?

That's what the farmer wants, a reaction. Next thing you know he'll build a hayshed. Try and not let the situation get out of hand.
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

farmer cannot legally build a hayshed within 100 yards of your house without your consent
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

farmer cannot legally build a hayshed within 100 yards of your house without your consent

without consent or without planning permission?
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

AFAIK the hayshed would be exempt development provided there is consent from any residence within 100 yards - or maybe metres - it is in the 2001 Planning Regs.
 
Re: Farmer erected an 18' high wall of round bales 15 ft from my house blocking sea v

No, have not gone to law on this yet. Note your comments though....the ethernet is alive with listeners!

Your better off putting up with iit he looking for a reaction if you give him a reaction come spring he could say spread slurry in the field and there be a horrible smell which he be entilted to do as it his field.Let the dust settle for a bit.
 
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